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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 06:00 PM) Wow! 250+ pages on this subject. "Other " sites don't even dent that. Good job Sox Talk! Well, it did stem from a 200 pg. thread to start with.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) @Ken_Rosenthal: Remember yesterday when @jonmorosi and I said that virtually all of the #Rangers were in play? List includes Garza. Rangers are apparently selling when only 5 back in division and 1 back in wild card?? What the f*** are they doing?? Wow.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) Because no one in their right mind considers Peavy's contract a bad one. And they took it on by giving up a guy with a career .622 OPS...in the minors and nothing else of value. Really great deal for them. It's going to very tough for someone to top what they did. Except in every rumor made Peavy's contract showed up as an obstacle. While I'm sure many teams would have paid Peavy $15 mil on a 1 yr deal next season, those may not have been contending teams in 2013, but they would have been teams that also knew what their budget would be for the next year.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 05:42 PM) If the price was 2 very good near-ready prospects, who's to say Boston doesnt just go for another team's starting pitcher? Instead of Peavy? Well, not many existed.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) 30 years ago probably not, but by 20 years ago it was pretty clear the downward spiral was irreversible. I can't really understand the mentality of people who can barely contain their glee at the news that Detroit's bankrupt though, because they're the same people who pushed Detroit into the water and held its head under when they saw it off-balance by the edge of the pool. B/c detroit is just a metonym for 'unions' or 'democrats' or something else. It's not down and out poor people about to suffer even worse. But listen. The best part about the US is how you can move to different economies and weather all in the same english-speaking country. The downside is some cities will fall and some will rise. While Detroit is falling, Minneapolis is still trucking on with a 4% unemployment rate.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:15 PM) I think that when trading for prospects, people overvalue quality instead of quantity. You can have one prospect who is a 75% chance to be an impact player in the majors. If you get four prospects who have 50%, 30%, 20%, and 10% chances to be impact players in the majors, there's also a 75% chance that at least one of them will be, plus the 15% or so chance that more than one of them will be. I completely disagree. I'd take one top 75 prospect over 4 200-300 prospects any day of the week.

We should make it a picture of the nacho helmet, the only thing that consistently gets me to the park.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) The only thing that bothers me is the Red Sox didn't give up much. Iglesias has two replacements ready to step in. I would have liked to see a Ranaudo-level prospect included. As it stands now it was Iglesias for Peavy straight up. Who cares? They also took on $20 million in payroll for next year and a half. That's why they gave up less. Edit: by who cares, I mean, we can only judge this by the package we receive. Because of the process we went through, I'm confident this is the best package we could have gotten while also unloading all the salary.

Rienzinho

I was watching Kirkjian on ESPN and he thought rios' contract would prevent him getting moved. I hope he's gone. We'll see. I don't expect much, honestly. That's why I wasn't that thrilled with a fire sale b/c our assets we'd trade are all priced highly.

Does the comparison really have to be 'Miguel Cabrera' or bust? We aren't going to turn Jake Peavy into the best hitter in the game without an incredible amount of luck. If he turns into a borderline all-star I'll be thrilled. It will mean we finally have a starter we don't need to replace, because honestly, I don't look at any of our position players right now and say 'don't need an upgrade there!'

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) I havent heard anything legit surrounding trade talks for him. However that may change with that fireballer from Boston. That guy has future closer written all over him. He has 'future tradebait' also written all over him. Really liked that acquisition.

Thanks for last year. Thanks for providing the last memory of me feeling 'KW is great!' in July 09 when he acquired you.

I am pleased with the deal. Garcia is a high-potential power hitter CLOSE to the majors and we got rid of all of Peavy's salary. And I like Montas a lot. Regardless of whether he makes an impact himself, those are good assets to collect in the minors.

Yeah I'll pitch in some.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:22 PM) Can't give specifics, too many moving parts. I can say that they Sox are looking for young pitching or hitting, possibly both. Also, a few of the names being discussed are players you've heard of before or maybe not, depends. Ooh I think I know who it is then!

The dollar menu is a loss leader, they probably would either get rid of it entirely or keep it at $1. Another reason why it's so hard to project hard economics on things like min. wage increases.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 07:46 PM) A's are back in on Peavy according to Slusser. I don't understand how A's could pull this off unless they could find a team to take on money for them and uh, good luck with that.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 07:57 PM) Quote: John Perrotto #Pirates and #WhiteSox have at least discussed the parameters of a trade in which Jake Peavy and Alexei Ramirez would come to Pittsburgh in exchange for Jameson Taillon, Alex Dickerson and at least one other prospect. #MLB #BUCN 29 minutes ago Link Has this been posted? a few pages back.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 07:41 PM) Havent you learned yet that only Zimmerman is responsible for his actions. God forbid anyone holds Trayvon responsible for his... I think many wish we had the opportunity.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) Why would people let it go? He's still on the roster. He's messing up their financial flexibility in epic fashion and not giving them the #2 scorer and solid interior presence that people wanted. He only gave them 16 a game even with Rose out and he's likely starting to decline. The front office messed up the financial flexibility of this team. Getting mad at Boozer for coming here and...playing pretty much how we expected isn't the best source of anger (but clearly placing any criticism at the feet of the front office is misplaced, because...) I don't understand this "while Rose was out". You'd think with Rose out there'd have been huge offensive stat improvements in Deng, Noah and Boozer right? Wellp. Those points were pretty much distributed among the guards or just not scored.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) That was basically the point I was trying to make. With 1:1 luxury tax penalties and higher max salaries, $15 million for Boozer was steep but in the realm of decency (I hated it personally). Under the current market conditions, which is the main issue in this case, that's a fair amount more than he's worth. Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay didn't exactly bring in a king's ransom in trade, neither would Boozer. I'm not saying I love Boozer with his deal, moreso talking about the critique on message boards and with fans watching the game of Boozer being the worst player ever and completely worthless. The bulls overpaid to get his services in 2010 because they needed scoring and more rebounding inside. The biggest worry was he would barely play because of health, he's played and has been healthy. If I would have told you in 2010 that Boozer would average about 16-10 for next 3 years and play 80% of games I'm guessing most would be pretty pleased. I get that it was annoying in 2011 when he would just iso and shoot a fadeaway, but at some point people have to let it go.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 07:43 PM) Josh Smith just got $13.5 million a year and he's a fair amount better than Boozer. David West is a little better and just signed for $12 mil a year. Al Jefferson is probably a little better and he got $13.67 mil for 3 (and the Bobcats overpaid a bit). Paul Millsap is at worst a comparable player and he just got $9.5 million a year for two years. That's the most recent sampling of "market value" under the current CBA. Boozer's deal is bigger than all of them. He's not an athletic 7-footer that can defend, so comparing him to those guys doesn't make sense. Those are the guys that get crazy contracts. Boozer was signed in the previous cba in a FA year that saw Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson get the max.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 07:46 PM) Hmmm, I wonder if the Bulls FO scouted the 2011 Portsmouth Invitational Tourney. The All PIT team that year was Jimmy Butler, Malcolm Thomas, Matthew Bryan-Amaning, Andrew Goudelock, and Vernon Macklin....Thomas, Bryan-Amaning, and Goudelock are all on the Bulls Summer League roster. This for whatever reason amused me. Perhaps because I found that out myself. Goudelock is the most intriguing player of the bunch. He was the D-League MVP and has redirkulous range. Last year I had a man crush on Henry Sims and wanted him to make the roster, this year I'm pulling for Goudelock. I feel he can potentially play the Nate Robinson role off the bench. I really doubt he'd have a role much different than Malcolm thomas if he makes the team.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 07:43 PM) 1) Look at his averages against teams like Miami, OKC and Indiana versus Cleveland, Phoenix, Milwaukee, etc. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/spli...3/carlos-boozer Against Miami especially he either has a good game or a game in which he fails to show up. I guess I expect more out of a 13 million a year player on a team playing without its MVP. 2) Yes, Rose has also been benched, but not for long periods of time like Boozer. Sorry, when you get replaced by a guy making 4 million a year less than you in crunch time, the criticism that you're overpaid for the value you bring is justified. 3) It's debatable if he's improved or if the absence of Rose helped his numbers this year. He plays terrible with Rose so I'm interested to see how it works next season. 1) Weird, that almost makes him like every other player vs. Miami and teams with good defenses. 2) Noah was the example. 3) I really doubt that was a big factor considering his career numbers and, you know, actually watching him play.