Milkman delivers

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:36 PM) This might be the most unbelievable night of baseball I can recall. Honestly, it is. I kept wanting to turn the games off for good because I didn't want to deal with watching things go the exact opposite way of what I wanted. Then, it was suddenly exactly what I wanted.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:29 PM) 1.) Good question. The problem is most of the stuff he says doesn't ever bother me because I think he is like a comedian, he puts on a show for the media. That money thing to me was like a stand up comedy act. I swear, whenever I listen to interviews, like 17 full minutes on mlb.com I hear a gracious Ozzie. What would he have to say? Well, it'd have to be in a setting where I believe he means what he says instead of is putting on a comedy act. I guess if he said in a 1-1 interview with ESPN that he hates all his players including Mark and Konerko and thinks all Chicago fans are full of s*** I guess I would start to hate him. 2.) OK I am in Jerry's shoes. Fair question. I think I stated in a few other threads weeks ago that if Ozzie got canned even he would think he deserved to be canned. And in one interview I saw he said indeed he didn't deserve to be here next year. He said, 'I didn't earn it," or something like that. But to answer your question ... If I am in Jerry's shoes, because I told the two of them they had to get along, they had to behave, they had to work together ... and because the two did not work together, I would replace both of them. They did not make it work. They blew it. And deep down they would know they both deserved to be fired. Now you imply that it would be easy for Jerry to keep Kenny because he offered to step down and Ozzie kept asking for more years and a raise. I might argue that he did it through the media and was "Ozzie being Ozzie." If in a 1-1 meeting with me, Jerry, Ozzie was that belligerent and/or cocky about getting a raise and more years, then yes I would fire him. But his media persona is quite different I am assuming than when he meets with Jerry. The bottom line is I know Ozzie deserved to get fired. But I think KW did too because of the fact the two of them COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT work together. I think both should be out the door. My desire to keep Ozzie as you all know stems from the fact I think he learned on the job here and is still young and will have a Hall of Fame career as a manager. I hate the fact he learned on the job here and now will be managing elsewhere. He got one title here, I think he'd have gotten more. Did he deserve to get fired? Yes. This year's April/May was inexcusable (even with Dunn n Rios) but KW also should be gone. If you have any other specific questions I will answer them as well. I can respect that. QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) I have another question for you guys. Seriously, Atlanta and Boston did not make the playoffs after looking like they were locks. They blew it. Their fans bases must be furious, FURIOUS. So should their managers be fired??? Answer this please. Should Boston and Atlanta fire their managers. Those were EPIC failures in not making the playoffs. My point so many fan bases want to fire their managers. I think Ozzie is a good manager. With the Red Sox, I think it would be OK to fire Francona. It's been 4 years since their last title, they collapsed worse than any team has in the final month of the season, and they have an incredibly high payroll. The Braves probably shouldn't fire Gonzalez because this is his first season and they had a lot of young guys, some of whom faltered down the stretch due a lot to their youth.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:26 PM) Not the Yankees fault, Boston shouldn't have been in that spot. I agree with you. I'm just saying what they will say.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:25 PM) Makes me giggle that on the day Ozzie is hired in Florida, Tampa definitely steals the headlines. +1

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:22 PM) Scott Procter would've given up a homer eventually, what was he in, his 4th inning? Yes. QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:23 PM) Andino's f***ed the Red Sox over 3 times already. It's crazy. What was the third time? QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) Joe Maddon looks 10 years younger than he did in the Rays WS season a couple of years back. I love that guy. He looks like Joe Walsh. I'm not sure how Walsh usually looks, but check out what he looked like on the Drew Carey Show.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Just to spite the Red Sox Nation? It was curious and it will be a decision that is dissected across the country, not using Rivera there to close it out. ROBERT ANDINO=BUCKY DENT 2.0 Poor Chris Boomer Berman. And Joe Biden's prayers apparently didn't work either The Red Sox fans will surely claim that NY threw it. And good call on Andino being Dent.

Did anyone else find it cool that whoever was controlling the scoreboard in TB waited for a good opportunity (with Longoria up instead of Upton) to announce that the Red Sox had lost?

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) So you wanted the wsox to commit blackmail to get Logan Morrison? I'd be down with that.

QUOTE (Papa Tru @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) All of this just happened within about a minute and a half of eachother.. crazy I'm so pumped. That s*** was incredible.

BEST NIGHT OF BASEBALL IN YEARS

YESSSSS COME ON NOW RAYS

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 09:59 PM) I don't think you are nobody.. Someone loves you 11 years, and the same problems.. I stated both need to go, but the wrong guy left... Now its on Kenny to prove Ozzie was the problem. Whatever, guy. I've never said that. QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 10:02 PM) Adam Dunn opening day home run, before the hysterectomy. One game that really stands out is the extra innings game against the Nationals. 3 comebacks, Sox still lost. Coco Crisp attempting to steal home sticks out too. What an awful season. Haha.

f***ing Rays don't even look like they deserve it, even after that comeback. Is their offense really this bad? Every guy going up there is batting as bad as Dunn.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) Would you stop your BS.. and think somehow the problems of the Sox are solved? And if you are the GM and the owner tells you no.. then if you are a man, and you are good.. you quit, and go get a job where you have the power to do what is is needed. Since I think Kenny is a man... First of all, nobody is saying that the Sox problems are fixed. Nobody. And perhaps KW should have just quit on the team, like their former manager.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 09:42 PM) None, this season was a 100% failure... And the GM should have seen that in June, traded away what the sox can.. and started toward 2012, then waiting till now to realize it. And if Ozzie was the problem as some here think, then the GM should have had the balls to fire him, or quit himself. I'm awaiting the 2011 offseason and think the sox are going to try to get under 90 Million payroll as much as they can. Williams tried to fire Ozzie in the past. He didn't have the power from JR. But my God, would you drop it? You're ruining every thread you touch.

QUOTE (Papa Tru @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) How is that even possible? They are all KW's players.. Ozzie didnt do anything to make Adam Dunn flop, Jake Peavy fall apart, and Rios to not give a s***.. there was nothing that could be done about that.. Yes, who saw it coming.. I know.. However, they were still moves that didnt work out at all.. I dont think I need to bring up Dan Hudson.. KW should have been relieved of his Gm duties just as much as Ozzie should have been relieved of his manager duties.. I dont see what changes with this team now.. Um, part of Ozzie's job is to get his players to f***ing care. I can buy the other stuff, but Rios is definitely, at least in part, on Ozzie.

There have been plenty of us comparing Ozzie to Ditka for years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) The yanks should have thrown the game? No, I think he's saying that they're doing the right thing for themselves.

Thanks a lot, Yankees, you f***ing jagoffs. Now you just know the Red Sox will go on a ridiculous run in the playoffs.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:35 PM) I just think you could have a Hawk soundboard every game and push buttons since he never says anything new or bring anything to an individual game outside of his homerism. I don't think a new voice on TV would of been a bad thing. I advocated the soundboard years ago, and I agree.

1.) Guillen quitting on this team physically after having quit on them much earlier 2.) Walker announcing that he won't be back That's about it. The first game was pretty fun, though.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:10 PM) When that happens to me, refreshing the page usually works fine. Hm, I'll have to try that next time. Thanks!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) THat happens to me on rare occcasions when I'm flying between lots of threads. I'm on the board quite often, so I can finish each thread pretty quickly (there might be like 10 new posts in each thread unless it's a really popular one). That could be it.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:17 PM) Greg- I want you to consider something. You seem like a very loyal guy. Loyal to players, coaches and managers that had a lot of meaning to the organization. Even well after their prime, you defend them. There is something good about that. But let me ask you this. Let's say you are in Jerry Reinsdorff's shoes. He too is a very loyal guy (which alone should tell you something here). The organization has had multiple disappointing years in a row, despite your spending of a lot of money. You've got two people under him, that over the past month, have done this: Person #1 offered to step down to a lower role due to the failures of the team. Person #2 asked repeatedly for a raise and a long term contract, despite those same failures. So, if loyalty is your game... which of those two do you keep? Because it seems to me that you are backing the wrong horse here, based on your own admitted tendencies. I can't wait for this response...

Can somebody please tell me what the reason is that MY BROWSER KEEPS MARKING THREADS I'VE READ AS UNREAD?! I'll go through a forum and read the new stuff in about five threads and when I got back to the forum, all or most of the stuff it had already marked as read will be unread again.