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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) It only took four seasons for Piney to become relevant. Yet abother solid SOA episode. He's had his moments, especially in the aftermath of the murder of Opie's wife and providing Jax with a second copy of his father's memoirs. Hell, he's even the one who told Jax that it was time for a change.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 12:12 AM) Then so does the guy from yahoo who wrote that column tonight. I agree with everything he wrote. As far as respect. The people that hate me probably hate anybody that disagrees with them even though they won't admit that. What was so wrong about what I said? People blast me for not having stats to back up everything and 90 percent of the time they do the same thing right back in response to me. Ozzie Guillen is not and was not the devil. You are the one who said he had nothing to do with the title in 05. How can anybody "respect" that statement? Give me a break. Your statements are as 'ridiculous' as mine. "I'm starting to wonder if you're some 12 year old kid. You have zero substance to anything you post. You don't understand any baseball statistics, you fall in love with awful players, you seem to think the manager is more important to root for than the actual team, and every argument you rely on is 100% speculative conjecture." I disagree with guys like Balta, SS2k5, and Tex all the time. I still respect them because their arguments aren't complete bulls*** that they made up and all of the stuff above.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:51 PM) We should have 2 statues right now: Frank and Comiskey. Harold having a statue is a joke and Fisk is just silly, handing them out to very good/borderline great players that won't be getting into the hall just waters down the honor that comes with being immortalized in statue form. I hate that Comiskey has one. I understand why he has one, but I still don't like that it exists.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:41 PM) I'm starting to wonder if you're some 12 year old kid. You have zero substance to anything you post. You don't understand any baseball statistics, you fall in love with awful players, you seem to think the manager is more important to root for than the actual team, and every argument you rely on is 100% speculative conjecture. Stealing my ideas, eh?!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) I think you guys take what Ozzie says way too seriously. Of course he wanted the big big bucks from Florida but it never gets to this point if the White Sox want him. Never. KW won this battle fair and square (in my opinion by sucking up to the boss, Jerry whereas Ozzie would not do that) unfortunately for Ozzie lovers like me. Haha, I think you've officially lost everyone's respect on this site.

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 11:25 PM) From what I heard, the future GM for the Cubs is likely to have about as much control over his team as an assistant GM in our organization. That remains to be seen, of course. If that is the case, Hahn probably would not want go there, as he wouldn't feel he has a chance to succeed. He loves the cubs? I didn't know that. He grew up a Cubs fan. Now, on the point about the Cubs GM position basically being an Assistant GM job. Would that make the Assistant GM job for the Sox actually an assistant to the Assistant GM job? You know, since JR seems to think he's the GM and KW can only do things that he tells him to do.

Perhaps this is relevant, but I just went back and checked the winning percentage for the Sox since KW took over. According to my calculations, it's .530. Ozzie's winning percentage is .524.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) I was there as well. Morel gets the moron of the night award. AJ is trying to get the ball after the last out of that inning and Morel then throws it into the stands. I figured that they would bring Buehrle out for the 8th and take him out before he faced Bautista, so I can't blame Morel for that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) I still hope we get official word that Walker is gone C'mon, he's gone.

QUOTE (jhonnydanks @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) sorry, can't help myself. but THANK YOU #56 for all that you have meant to this organization. on a rainy, cold night in chicago the love was very much displayed. kudos to everybody in the stands tonight for making this a very heartfelt goodbye (which i still hope it isn't). You're welcome.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:56 PM) Wouldn't that be sort of redundant? You've already interviewed random people in Kansas. QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) Exactly. KW said nothing of the sort last night and Cora's name wasn't even mentioned in the official press release or Merkin's story that was published around 12:30 last night. Seems like local reporters were just throwing Cora's name out there on Twitter since he was the bench coach, the White Sox never publicly named Cora anything. It only makes sense that Coop would be the man from the start, he's a KW guy and they're trying to make him as happy as possible to keep his ass around into the next regime, Cora was always going to follow Ozzie, why would KW hand the reins over to him for the final 2 games? Makes perfect sense to me. QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) @ChuckGarfien Chuck Garfien Clearing up published report, Joey Cora thought he was interim manager because Ozzie told him so. Ozzie just assumed. 22 seconds ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry There, now people jumping to ridiculous conclusions can just drop it. Perhaps they can now put the blame where it belongs, on Ozzie. Clearly he had no power to tell Cora that he'd be the interim manager. But again, it was blamed on KW.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:47 PM) KW seems to want someone he can control as his new manager, so to me this just signifies the new guy in will be a "yes man" to KW, which totally sucks. I am already deflated hearing this news and what this really means Same here. I'm going to be extremely disappointed with Alomar.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) Baines should not stay. I still have yet to see what it is that he actually does. Seriously. I have no clue what this guy brings.

I was there. I have a couple of things to say. 1.) Did the umpire go piss or something? Was that noticeable on TV? 2.) I had to fight tearing up when they took Buehrle out. It was awesome. 3.) That ovation made me seriously reconsider my stance that Buehrle is definitely coming back. That felt like a real goodbye.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) lol. It's greek mythology I been reading. Basically a greek god. Yeah, I looked it up when I saw it I just didn't feel like reading too much, so I don't get how it fits.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) My free loading aunt, who has been payed "under the table" by my dad for years to care for my aging (now 88 year old) grandpa to keep him out of a retirement home (HER request), has hired a lawyer and convinced my mentally fractured grandpa to remove my dad's power of attorney and completely remove him (and probably my sister and I) from his will. She's apparently been slowly "brain washing" my grandpa for the last few years. My dad has been paying all his bills, tracking his medical records, and running his finances ever since my grandma died and his second wife was killed in a car accident. Prior to the car accident that killed his wife and severely damaged his shoulder and leg, she wasnt really part of the family. She had completely removed herself. My aunt hasnt had a stable job for probably 15-20 years ever since she was laid off from United. She's been using my Grandpa (and my dad) as a way to make easy money. This entire time, my aunt has effectively been using my Grandpa's car for "free" even though he hasnt been able to drive in 5+ years. Essentially, it's a play to get 100% of his inheritance. Paying her to keep an eye on him was what she insisted on to keep him out of a retirement home, which he would have needed if Grandpa did not have a care taker. He was mental ok until a few years back when he had a stroke and hasnt been the same since. At the time, having her around (as much as she and my dad weren't getting along) wasnt a bad idea and their relationship was "amicable". But I think she's seeing $$$ and going for it, probably should have seen this coming. In retrospect, my dad regrets that decision. But, one of my grandma's last wishes before she died was to "keep him in the house as long as you can". Oh, and "make sure the kids (my sister and I) get some of the money so they have an easier life." My dad called my grandpa today to see what was going on, and he told my dad he doesnt want anything to do with him or his family. As a co-worker told me today, she's turned my grandpa into a puppet. You would think that, in a case to remove your father's power of attorney, the fact that he's paid all of the bills and such for years would come into play. Either way, your aunt reminds me of Janice from the Sopranos.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) I'm virgin on prom night excited. This was at least a couple years in the making. Ozzie's mistake (one of many) is that he thought he was bigger than the organization because he managed the club to a title. Sorry, Ozzie. You don't go on for infinity because of past White Sox futility. You're not Pholus all of a sudden. You don't get to create mayhem AND underachieve because of something you did six years ago. Even Kenny (who I want gone) never rested on his '05 laurels. That's partly why we're in the situation we're in. He's so obsessed with duplicating '05 (see 2K5's sig) that he's recklessly punted the future year after year. This is just the first step. A GIANT first step, indeed. ?

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) I haven't read through the whole thread, but is there any word as to whether Ozzie Plan season ticket holders will get their money back for this season? That guy was a riot. Who was it again?

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 10:24 AM) He was on at 7:30 as well. He had nothing to say other than he was ahead of the story in January of 2010 as he knew it would end this way. If the Sox play to their potential this season, it does not end this way. Guillen did not want to be here and the Florida thing could be epic especially if Zambrano ends up down there. The Phils and Braves will be tough and if the Mets clean themselves up and the Nats youth get better...may be a tough ride down on south Florida. I like Dave Martinez and he will be every teams #1 candidate. He has a history with the Sox so that should bode well. One of Guillen's downfalls was not having a stronger bench coach after Nossek left. I also look for the hitting coach to hopefully impact the team like Walt Hriniak (sp?) did. Laker and Martinez have crossed paths I believe. I don't think Nossek was ever in the same clubhouse with Ozzie managing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) To me, the most exciting part is the hope that a new hitting coach will get some of our core players back on track. For someone like Beckham, next year has to be a make it or break it year and the hitting coach excuse can't be used anymore. Same goes for Dunn...if he struggles next year, he's going to be out of baseball. I'm not saying a hitting coach can save either of these guy's career...but it's worth a try. I hope the new guy wants to give Laker a chance, as he deserves it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:12 AM) 4 years for a pitching coach? Jesus, that is like a 10 year deal for a player. That just doesn't happen. I guess that shows what "people in baseball" actually think of the guy, no?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:04 AM) Lol. That sound you hear is Dick Allen aimlessly shooting a rifle. When does Walker get his extension? Hahahaha.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) It would feel very much like hiring Ozzie Guillen again, honestly. Albeit, a much quieter version. Yup. QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) The fans want Martinez but my money is on the fact that Sox are gonna hire Sandy Alomar Jr. SOON. Yup.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) Better Alomar Jr. than LaRussa or Buddy Bell. Actually I'd be alright with Sandy Alomar Jr. I wouldn't hate the Alomar move, and I wouldn't like it. It'd be basically a lateral move, which is what I expect from this organization.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) Think we would all love to see that, but not going to happen. This team is clearly heading into a rebuilding phase and it will be tough to recruit Martinez IMO. Think your odds here are pretty spot-on and think unfortunately we will end-up with a milktoast manager like Alomar to oversee the rough patch for the next 2-3 years ... Alomar just sounds/feels like a Jerry hire, doesn't he? Yup, which is why I had his percentage so high. Bell also sounds like a Jerry hire, but not as much as Alomar. Thankfully, he doesn't appear to want to manage.