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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 10:22 PM) These responses are funny. Cabrera is a 3rd in the AL in WS for SS, is way, way ahead in defensive WS and other advanced defensive metrics, and is swinging a decent (for a SS) bat. And take it from me: I f***ing hated this trade and hated O-Cab as late as this July. But he's made a believer out of me. He's not a great hitter, but he's a guy that from SS will put up a solid 280/330/390 line and more than make up for his offensive mediocrity with great defense. Like most of you after watching him for a few games I thought his defense was horrible. He rounds off balls, doesn't have a strong arm, and seems to just make routine plays look hard. But after watching him play (I'd say I've seen about 50% of the innings played so far this year) he really does make all the plays. He might not have the best range, or the best arm, or the best hands: but he does have good skills in all those areas. Rarely does he not make a tough play. The advanced defensive metrics back this up. Furthermore, he's going to net the Sox 2 nice draft picks this winter, what the hell isn't to love about that? Cabrera is a vital player on this good Sox team, there is no reason (other than the meaningless scorer stuff) to not like him. Well, let me start by saying most people don't care about the statistics when their eyes tell them the opposite. Secondly, in regards to the bold part, I've seen almost 100% of the innings this year. And no, no he does not really "make all the plays."

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 10:19 PM) The av and post work well together. I wouldnt say I like him. Or hate him. I dont know him, so I dont see it as my place to make rash judgments. I don't follow?

Ha, it's looking like you're the only person who likes OC, Princess Dye.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 10:08 PM) Yes, and he made some awesome plays in the field, plays Uribe couldnt have made. Im happy to have Joe back. I don't see how that's a fact.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 10:08 PM) All your points make sense, but then that last line.... it just seems a little harsh to put him sub Erstad, no? Actually you're putting him sub-many guys who were way worse. I think when a guy carries himself like OC does, it makes people react a little harsher to whatever stats he does put up. Freaking BA gets on the recent All-time Favorite Sox list and yet puts up nowhere near the consistency OC does. Erstad actually seemed like he wanted to play for this team. Cabrera does not.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 10:01 PM) I think the better question is why any OC love? -His fielding is incredibly over-rated. I wasn't a big Cabrera follower before he got to the Sox, but I was always under the impression he played pretty sound D. His lazy efforts and incredibly poor timed errors left me surprised to say the least. -His bat leaves alot to be desired, especially in the lead-off spot. I know he can't control where he bats in the lineup, but it still contributes to my dislike. He doesn't have as much power as I thought he would coming over to the Cell, his OBP is poor for a top of the order hitter, and his "smallball" techniques leave a lot to be desired, which I thought Cabrera was well known for. -The whole scorekeeper controversy was probably a bit overblown, but it still looked bad. On top of it, he doesn't seem to fit all that well in the clubhouse( I have no inside knowledge), and Williams has hinted at being a bit surprised at what he got back in Cabrera. I said it a few days ago to some friends of mine, and I stand by it. Cabrera is probably my least favorite White Sox starter in the last 6-7 years. I agree with absolutely everything you said, including that very last line. The only thing I'd add is that it seems like he doesn't even want to be on this team.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:51 PM) Ahem.... I believe I was close. You were actually right on.

Good game, pretty much all around.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:44 PM) When I first started reading yer post...those are the first guys that came to mind...Tigers. They are pretty good. I HATE the Royals announcers...whine too much. Mariners = VERY BAD...and old. Blue Jays...don't remember. The Rays weren't too bad IIRC... My line of thinking was that I knew it was a bad team, so I first thought of all of the really bad teams I knew of in the AL. I eventually remembered that it was the Tigers.

QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 10:26 AM) Gavin's gonna go 9! Very close.

O's announcers basically saying Russell has no balls. I tend to agree.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) I've really enjoyed listening to these two the past few days. Very knowledgable...very complimentary of the Sox...and keep their nostalgia stories VERY short and sweet. There's another broadcasting team that I remember really liking, but now I can't recall which one. Perhaps it was the Royals, Mariners, or Blue Jays? EDIT: Actually, I think it was the Tigers' announcers. In fact, I'm pretty sure it is them now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:36 PM) Maybe by 2010. That seems reasonable at this point.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:28 PM) yeah, i've always liked buck too. ex-catchers have a great eye for the game, even if mccarver is full of s*** half the time. They make good managers, too.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:25 PM) Will Floyd be in for the complete game? O's announcers said it looked like he was done for the night.

Also, I don't know much about Buck Martinez as a commentator, but he sounds really knowledgeable from what I've heard of him the last two days.

So far, this game has gone almost perfectly. Ha, although it looks like Ramirez has been trying to pad some stats today, I understand why he would. Crede has also been surprisingly good on defense since coming back. Let Floyd finish the game, rest that bullpen up really well.

Whooooo, chat crew being represented!

What the hell happened that this thread went from 19 pages yesterday to 32 pages now?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 09:47 AM) 2 weeks ago, 2 kids came into my open garage in the middle of the afternoon and stole my Trek 800 and my son's bmx bike. After being alerted to it by a neighbor, I jumped in the car and headed the way she indicated they took off to. After driving around for a few minutes, I did not see my bikes, but did spy 2 kids that matched their description, so I played stakeout and watched them for a few hours, to no avail. So I made up fliers about stolen bikes, and went to their house and dropped one off at the neighbors on each side. There I found out that the kids there have been in trouble for stealing bikes before! So, every day I make it a point to drive past that house on my to or from home. Yesterday, I saw my bike on the side of the house! I parked up the street, walked up to make sure it was mine and called the police. They came, took the bike for prints, and so far, nothing! Nobody was home, so they couldn't talk to anyone, said they would come back. But when I call, no info! I want someone's ass arrested! I also want them to be able to look in the shed or garage for my son's bike. And if nothing else, I want to break this kid's hands. With kids like that, you know the parents have to be aware that their kid is stealing bikes. And they just don't give a s***.

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 09:14 AM) I'm looking forward to Sons of Anarchy, as well as the new season of It's Always Sunny....FX shows rarely tend to disappoint. I want to see both of them, too.

Chat.

QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 06:12 PM) Yah... that's exactly what he was doing... I'm glad you agree.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 06:06 PM) The fact that people are blaming today on Ozzie is just so mind blowing. I know why the old posters no longer read gameday threads. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 25, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) Please archive this pathetic game thread. LOL at the comments about AJ and Ozzie. LOL at thinking a player from the Twins org cant bunt. This board is a walking talking ad for Xanax Even the most outrageous Ozzie supporters, such as you two, cannot argue against this. The board just shut down, most likely from the uproar of Ozzie throwing this one away.

Since we decided we don't need this game, WE BETTER f***ING WIN TONIGHT. Ozzie clearly was saving up the bullpen for tonight's game, and figured he'd hand the O's a win, so that we can win the second game. He better f***ing do it.