Milkman delivers

Well, let's be optimistic. Konerko is the worst everyday player in the MLB. There's nowhere to go but up! And I honestly cannot wait for the White Sox to lose, as I've been rooting against them this whole year. I especially root against Vazquez, Konerko, and Swisher. Being right is definitely better than having a good team, as I'm sure most here would agree.

I floated the steroid issue a few months ago. He looks like an obvious juicer to me. EDIT: Ex-juicer.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 03:27 PM) Just fire back with how s***ty USA shows like "Monk" are. Arrested Development Seinfeild Friends Monk is awesome. Well, I haven't really watched it with any sort of regularity in about two years, but I really enjoy that show.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) I was basing it on the 100 commercials per day that I see. I figure if they run that many commercials then maybe a lot of people watch it. Or that few. But, it's apparently the funniest show on television, according to the commercials.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 01:20 PM) Anyone who says Entourage isn't a guy. Don't get me wrong, I usually hate even slightly campy shows. But it's like trying to hate on the movie 300; if you do so, you better hand over you man-card. Ha! Every guy I know that likes that show is a total beat-off. Guys who don't get nearly as much ass as they'd like you to believe, or the guys who just flat out don't get any at all despite many attempts.

QUOTE (Maxwell @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 10:16 PM) Because people here don't care about what a person is capable off or what they have done in the past. See jim thome's reputation a month ago. What the f*** has he done in the past? And the problem is we know exactly what he is capable of, but that he's too much of a head case to do it consistently and with pressure on him.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 09:55 PM) Why the Javy bashing? He was great in April... He was great in May... He had a crap June... He's had two excellent starts in his 4 outings in July. (7/3; 7/21) So, he has a bad game today against one of the best offensive teams in the AL and the jackals come out to tear up his carcass? Give it a rest. Yeah, nobody has been tearing up his carcass for years. This is entirely due to his one bad start today.

1998 - Montreal Expos - Team record of 65-97 ERA 6.06 League ERA 4.19 ERA+ 69 1999 - Montreal Expos - Team record of 68-94 ERA 5.00 League ERA 4.48 ERA+ 89 2000 - Montreal Expos - Team record of 67-95 ERA 4.05 League ERA 4.82 ERA+ 119 2001 - Montreal Expos - Team record of 68-84 ERA 3.42 League ERA 4.45 ERA+ 130 2002 - Montreal Expos - Team record of 83-79 ERA 3.91 League ERA 4.24 ERA+ 108 2003 - Montreal Expos - Team record of 83-79 ERA 3.24 League ERA 4.50 ERA+ 139 2004 - New York Yankees - Team record of 101-61 ERA 4.91 League ERA 4.50 ERA+ 92 2005 - Arizona Diamondbacks - Team record of 77-85 ERA 4.42 League ERA 4.44 ERA+ 100 2006 - Chicago White Sox - Team record of 90-72 ERA 4.84 League ERA 4.75 ERA+ 98 2007 - Chicago White Sox - Team record of 72-90 ERA 3.74 League ERA 4.74 ERA+ 127 And we know what's happening this year.

For the hell of it, here are the stats on the year for both Contreras and Vazquez: SPLITS G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Contreras Season 19 19 1 0 119.1 127 64 61 12 35 68 7 6 98.5 1.36 .270 4.60 Vazquez Season 21 21 1 0 135.0 146 73 71 19 38 130 7 8 100.1 1.36 .273 4.73 They are very similar, and I'd give the edge to Contreras. Vazquez also makes $1.5 million more than Contreras (and second to Buehrle, whose ERA is more than a full run less than that of Vazquez).

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 09:36 PM) 3rd? More like 4th. 7-8 with a 4.57 ERA...i'd rather take Danks' 8-4 with a 3.18 ERA or Floyd's 10-6 with a 3.57 ERA or Buehrle's 8-8 with a 3.56 ERA. I wanna see Javy succeed, especially since he's a member of this ballclub. But him pissing down his leg during a big game or against a good team is evident. So if he were to leave in a trade for some pieces that could help us out, i'm all for it. So on your point on it being not debatable...I think not. His ERA is now 4.73, and his WHIP is 1.36. Contreras has a 4.60 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. Besides the injury, it's hard to make the argument that Vazquez is clearly better than Contreras, let alone the third best starter. EDIT: ESPN changed the WHIP from 1.37 to 1.36 and the ERA from 4.75 to 4.73 in the time it took me to do the following post.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 09:13 PM) Buehrle is the guy that can't pitch over the errors....I don't know that any of our pitchers are especially strong mentally....maybe Danksie... I've noticed that Floyd likes to give up a fair amount of unearned runs, too.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) Ah yes. The take a verbal dump thread. That's right everyone, get it out of your system. That Vazquez is an underachiever has been my belief for years. Don't play this off like it's a bunch of idiots overreacting to one bad start. He's consistently bad when his team needs him to be good, but he'll be an ace if you're in last place.

QUOTE (KevinM @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 07:11 PM) This is just what I was expecting from our stellar fanbase. Not only do people insult Javier's intellect for being unable to have a good game against one of the most dangerous lineups in the game, Milkman insinuates Javier has no genitalia (par for the course on his part). I would bet anyone that Javier finishes at 4.20 ERA for the season and over 200.0 innings. This is such bulls*** on everyone's part. He's our third best pitcher right now and that's not debatable. I'll take him over any other righty we've got for the rest of the season. You've only been around since August of 2007. I have hardly even posted in Pale Hose Talk since that time. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about when you say "par for the course" on my part. But, you did a very good job of defending Vazquez by attacking my character. Perhaps you should focus on the fact that Vazquez has never produced well on a competitive team, and thrives on bad ones.

QUOTE (ChiSox35 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 03:17 PM) At this point in the season it's safe to call an upcoming series the biggest of the year, and even if we sweep and make it a 5.5 game lead, that's not enough to feel safe until there's a late september champagne party in the Sox locker room. That day comes and I'll smoke a nice cuban imported Montecristo cigar somewhere innaporpriate. How do you find an inappropriate place to smoke a cigar in the Yukon Territory?

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 03:36 PM) That's really all that needs to be said, right there. Javy has the best "stuff" on this team but his problem is between the ears. Or between his legs.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) This is the kind of thread I expect from our awesome Sox fans. And that's the exact snide comment most would expect from you. Let us have our fun. Vazquez sucks and there's no arguing the point.

It's Shark Week.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 02:50 PM) eh. close enough 3 guys swinging at ball 4 in the 9th. 9 1st pitch outs. Javier Vasquez. The guy is only our best pitcher. YOU CAN SPELL HIS f***ING NAME RIGHT!

Terrible 9th inning.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) We did what we came to do. I'll take it. Yes, I'm sure the team discussed how they plan on losing a game. You play to win every single game.

Wow, just give them the game.

Swisher swings at ball 4. He should've let ball 3 hit him.

We should get to Rodney in his second inning.

QUOTE (tommy @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 02:37 PM) Beautiful double play. Oh, they turned a double play? I was referring to the porn I was watching.

Great DP.