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With that contract in 2021, that would be terrible.

This is an amazing compromise. I know the Sox have worked something like this before, though not to this scale. It seems like Paul Konerko got like a million a year for 4 or 5 years after he retired, and we might have turned someone else's buyout into something similar IIRC. Credit to Rick for getting creative to get this done.

Considering Hendriks replaces Colome it actually weakens us overall.

There is a MILE of ground between what you are talking about, and what is market value. If your idea and the other extreme are the only options a deal isn't done. That is why other people are talking about a middle ground which makes the most sense here. For some reason you are stuck on one low end outlier.

He will be in three years if the offers are that bad.

Aaron Nola signed a terrible extension deal. He gave up a free agency year for a 16 million dollar option. That is awful. If Lucas wanted to sign a deal like that he would have done it years ago. Garritt Cole is getting 20 MILLION dollars a year more than that by going to the open market. DeGrom is making $35 a year for his free agency years. Greinke is $35 million. Trevor Bauer just got $38 million by going year to year through arbitration, and now gets to eat in his free agency years. Ryu pulled down 34 million for those arb years. Degrom was $41 million.

Zero chance he signs that cheap.

The numbers Jack outlined are clearly under market value numbers which correspond to an existing extension signed more recently. I don't see them giving Moncada that deal, and then chopping money off of a deal for Giolito who is a year later in his service.

Ceases career high is about 140 innings. I don't see him leaping to 180 yet.

The quickest way to turn a good pen into a bad one is to overuse them. They still need starting pitching badly.

It's really not though. All 5 of those years are pretty well under market value of going year to year, but not enough to be insulting. It would actually mirror the same years of the Moncada deal pretty well.

They need starting pitching badly. Cease and Kopech are not going to give this team full seasons of innings.

Really what tells me how good this move was is when they show us what starters they bring in.

Been nice knowing you @ron883

Top of the market starting pitching is 30 million and up. Cole got 36. Giolito is 3 years away from being able to hit that open market. Maybe you get him for 25 a year to buyout those two years like they did Moncada, but that is 50 million right there.

Hawk is happy.

Moncada got his deal 1 year earlier.

Giolito should fire his agent if he puts a 5/65 in front of him. His two free agent years alone would be with more than that on the open market. We are talking about 3 arb years and 2 FA years.

Yep, say what you want, but this was nailed to the penny.

They need some innings very badly in the rotation.

That is a fascinating deal. It allows the team some flexibility as they get expensive in the core.

Ah, there it is. Now it makes more sense.

That is just bizarre. I wonder what makes the Sox do the 4th year that way? Is there a luxury tax implication or something?

Aged like a fine wine. Thanks for getting this deal done.

That probably leaves me as a +5 then to what I keep seeing from your posts.