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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 07:25 PM) I'm with you, man. Early career contract extensions have SUNK this team. Still living with the repercussions of Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, and Adam Eaton. I would think this would be obvious to anyone who has followed the team for more than a few days, but apparently in needs repeating. Instead we are treated to some imaginary world where apparently the Sox FORCED Chris Sale, Adam Eaton, and everyone else to wait for their extensions. I mean there is about as much depth to the other side of this discussion as a 3 am Trump Tweet-storm.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 06:59 PM) And that's perfectly fine. If it was OK for Sale to wait, why was it suddenly ALL-IMPORTANT to get Anderson signed, without having a body of work to properly judge him? Show us you work. Show us where I mentioned a dollar amount. We all noticed how you glossed over me emphasizing the STARTER'S ROLE when you quoted me. If you're going to make ridiculous claims about me, at the very minimum, make these claims based on what should be easily found by searching my posts, not imaginary claims without basis. See, the reality is that the only thing I've mentioned about this contract is that it was as premature as a virgin on prom night. Nice redirection. What this told me is that you have zero support for any of your points as you are yet to back up a single one instead relying on "show you work" in the complete absence of substance. This is as deep as a Trump tweet fest.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) I looked up a couple a few days ago and I'm pretty sure like none of the players even ended up having positive WAR seasons. This article even explains how the Dodgers got a round B pick by basically taking on a ~$3 million contract. Dodgers Buy Draft Pick The Orioles, I should have known. It looked like the rest of the deals involved some pretty significant players.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) Check out some of the guys who were traded for comp picks though. They're generally not great and if one of these teams gets an injury early on, we could jump in anf fill the position without them having to wait for July. Like who? Honestly I can't recall any off of the top of my head. I know teams have been active in moving international cap space for smaller returns, but can't recall any comp pick trades.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) The NFL Season doesn't begin until the Bears first out for the season injury. Well here we are. Dan Wiederer‏ @danwiederer Following More Bears G Eric Kush out for season w torn hamstring. With Kyle Long still out, this means Cody Whitehair shifting to G. Grasu to C. For now. Apparently he tore the hammy off of the bone.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) One thing I would like to see us do is to take a couple of the non-highly touted prospects who are being brought up or knocking on the door at AAA (think Delmonico, Willy Garcia, Danny Hayes, etc) and put them on the market early next year and see if you can get trade them for a comp pick. It would allow us the financial flexibility to go after a good high school guy if he falls and not worry about having to cut an underslot deal in the first round. I think this is important because at some point we are going to have to get some young guys in the system so we don't have a logjam at one level and we can't really do it with international signings while in the penalty. I think you are really overvaluing these guys. At best they a second division starters. They are the type of guys you are always looking to replace and upgrade. No one is giving up basically a second round pick for that.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) This is really what it comes down to for me. We're already wasting precious Moncada time. I personally would have kept Moncada in AAA until next summer, but now that he is here, he needs to stay here. Moncada, Lopez, and Giolito are on the doorstep and pretty much have to be moved up. Kopech is a different story.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) I don't understand this mind set. If he goes a few months next year with the continued improved walk rate what's the point of keeping him in the minor leagues? Best thing for his development will be to face the best competition and be with the best pitching coach in our organization. Why rush him? This is going to be a replacement level team next year. We shouldn't be in any hurry to burn service time until we need to.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) On the contrary, signing & playing bad players was one central reason why the previous "stars & scrubs" roster failed. In other words, despite having Sale & Q & Eaton, one reason why the 2014-2016 teams sucked is that there were too many sub-replacement level players playing significant time. (In turn, dragging the whole roster down.) With respect to the timing of Anderson's contract, they foolishly committed money, but more importantly, A STARTER'S ROLE to a guy that none of us know if he'll ever be a reliably-decent starter @ his position. With more MLB time, the FO could have had more info to make that determination. (As they did with Sale, Q, & Eaton.) So again: show your work. I've made mention of the idiotic timing of the contract. But I don't have a word to say about the dollar amount, nor have I previously to this. If the money isn't important, then when do you keep mentioning it, yet pretending you aren't? The timing issue is also ridiculous. You don't get to offer the same contract in the first year of service as you do in the second year. Each passing year pushes any potential extension price up by a large factor. In fact the cost difference between signing early and going year by year has been shown to be something like $10 million over the course of just the controlled years, without even mentioning the extra savings that can be gotten from signing away potential free agent years. The service time issue as you are selling it is also silly. Does Houston offering a contract extension to a minor leaguer mean they think he is the greatest prospect of al time as that is infinitely less service time than anyone in the history of baseball has ever signed an extension for. It would also be helpful if you could realize with the extension amount being so small that they aren't fully committed to Anderson as a starter for the entire six years. Not even close. The Sox have dumped guys on much more expensive contracts without a second thought. Do you have a quote somewhere that shows the Sox are fully committed to Anderson at SS for six years because of this contract? If they were, why were they trying to trade for guys like Gleybar Torres? Honestly I would be interested to see your "work". You keep making ridiculous claims with literally zero proof of evidence. Let's see you actually show anything about what you are arguing here.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) Show us where I mentioned the dollar amount. Feel free. Again, show us where I mentioned a dollar amount. And as we learned in grammar school math, "show your work." The cogent part of the discussion is that Anderson got his money after having less than 1 year's service time. In other words, less than half of what Chris Sale put in to EARN his contract, less than half of what Q put in to EARN his, & less than half of what Eaton put in service time to earn his contract, if memory serves. Are we to believe that this FO truly thought that Anderson was twice the prospect, when compared to Sale, Q, or Eaton? After all, he didn't have to put in the time that the others did, amirite? Well then I am glad to see you agree that it isn't an important amount of money and you will quit mentioning it ad naseum as it is irrelevant to the teams future, as well as it being a non sequitor to try to compare the amount to what past players have gotten as it is an exercise in things that are not really comparable. As to the service time meaning something as to signing an extension, that might the most ridiculous thing that you have ever posted here. There is absolutely zero logic in that statement.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) I would be absolutely floored. I don't think Kopech pitches in the bigs until 2019. I could see him getting a few starts next September, I suppose. Or if the Sox are somehow in the WC race some mid July (highly highly highly unlikey) and Kopech is making mincemeat of AAA, maybe the Sox bring him up. I'd put the odds of him breaking camp with the big league club next year at less than 1/100. Even if his recent progress in walking guys is a long term trend, his season IP totals are still going to be really low. I think Kopech comes to camp, but goes to Charlotte and then we will see what he is really made of pitching that ballpark. With the team we are going to put on the field in 2018, there isn't any reason to start his clock early anyway.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) Rodon's 2015 callup was clearly too early. He would have benefited from being allowed to focus on his changeup and fastball command without worrying about Major League results. But would be crazy to see him down again in 2016. Yes, NOW it is too late. But if he had taken a traditional trip through the minors it might have looked like this... Drafted 2014, signed late. Goes to rookie ball for some short starts and relief appearances as is traditional for starters the Sox don't want to rush to limit IP. 2015, start off in Low A, eventually move to High A after the ASG. 2016 run through AA, maybe a late move up to AAA. 2017 start at AAA, called up around trading deadline to replace a traded pitcher.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Rodon in AAA last year would have been a joke. Like MLB players association grievance joke. I've said it before, but it isn't too hard to look back at where and when Rodon was drafted and draw a realistic scenario with him making his major league debut right about now.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) The Braves and the Cubs were capable of doing it with players more touted and successful in their major league careers than Anderson, but the White Sox it's apparently another tool in the chest that the white sox can't handle. The White Sox have shown they believe in him with a contract. I don't believe the White Sox or Tim Anderson are different, and Tim also does own a home in North Carolina. This isn't a White Sox thing. This is a Tim Anderson thing. All you have to do is read the kind of quotes he is giving to media and on twitter to know where he is at mentally right now. Not every situation is the same.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) One way to build confidence is to give him success again at a lower level and away from reporters asking him about his struggles every night. By essentially telling him he isn't good enough for the majors.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:22 AM) I'm beating a dead horse, but considering we already paid Tim a contract showing how much the org is behind him, I just don't see how sending him down for some time is this huge no-no. Especially with Dansby Swanson down in AAA. For a guy that is already struggling with self-confidence, I don't know that sending him down sends the right message. All though I would like to mention that there might be signs of life since the Stroman incident. In August Anderson is on a 5 game hitting streak, with two of them as multi-hit games. 7-22 with a double, triple, and a homer during that stretch and 3 RBI.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:18 AM) ...and both are better, smarter, and more versatile players than Anderson, full stop. Thank God we gave Anderson a contract extension after one lucky season. Do you understand exactly how little money $21 million spread over 6 years actually is in modern baseball?

QUOTE (Quin @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) To be fair, Davidson splattered for like three seasons. Depth. It is absolutely much earlier for Gillaspie, but some huge red flags are there. When I read about bat speed being the primary issue, you can't get much worse than that in a league that has tons of pitchers throwing 95mph plus now.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) I don't think he was prepared for the majors and should probably still be in the minors but I also felt that Rodon should have not come up until this year as well. I really hope things in this organization have changed other trading MLB talent for MiLB talent. If not it's going to be a long decade. If it hadn't really changed, Fulmer/Giolito/Lopez/Moncada would have been on the April 1 roster.

It was interesting to see MLB.com go with Eloy as their hitter of the month even though he didn't play about 1/3 of the month for the Sox.

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QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:10 AM) I can't believe people are married to the worst SS in MLB, when there is at least one SS better than him already in the roster. I can't believe people think he has already reached his peak in the worst year of his life.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) I'm seeing a lot of discussion on Gillaspie being too high. I think it's informative to put here, the blurb we had on him from the list: He's sort of a binary prospect. Either he is what everyone seemed to think he was going into this season (which would make him in the 9-12 range), or he's truly hit a wall in AAA (which puts him probably in the 20's). We ended up at 14. Seems pretty parallel to Matt Davidson who crushed it through the minors and then just splattered into the wall.

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QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 6, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) The Trout-less Angels and woeful Twins are hovering just below .500. The Brewers, a truly miserable roster that had no intentions of competing to start the year, are only 0.5 back of the juggernaut Cubs. All it would take is Rodon/Lopez/Giolito all playing up to their potentials and it will be extremely difficult for the Sox to be so bad again. The offense, defense, and bullpen are all going to be truly terrible next year. It is actually going to be extremely difficult for this team to win 70 games next year.