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Now this is the stuff we should have been doing all along. Instead of fretting about the future, we should have been enjoying the present. As the older Sox fans can attest to, World Series champs don't exactly grow on trees in Chicago.

Happy Birthday to one of the best creative minds on this site

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Dec 10, 2006 -> 12:51 PM) If the Sox dump Vazquez they'll have to eat a big part of his salary. They wont do that IMO. I agree with you though that getting rid of Garland should be the last thing the Sox do as he was their most effective pitcher last season. No they won't. At worst Vazquez is getting an average salary now a days, even at his worst. At best he is underpaid today.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 01:56 PM) You think payroll is going to go up another 50% ? I don't even think that's possible. I know payroll isn't going up 50%. But in order to keep status quo with this roster, that is the type of payroll increase we would need to keep this roster intact for the next couple of years. In other words, these type of moves shouldn't shock anyone, and they should be expected.

Here is what it would take to keep this team together, as far as I would guess for 2008 and 2009 (numbers in millions of dollars). Basically I am taking the contracts of this fall, and using those as a basis to guess where salaries will be in the years that these players don't have deals signed. Starting Pitching Buehrle- 17.0/17.0 Garcia- 14.0/14.0 Garland- 12.0/15.0 Vazquez- 12.0/14.0 Contreras- 10.0/10.0 totals 55.0/70.0 Just by my guesses, we would have $70 million dollars wrapped up in the old starting 5 by 2009. Now keep in my we would still have to give huge raises to Joe Crede (say 15.0) and Jermaine Dye (probably also in the 15.0 range)to keep them around, not to mention guys like Iguchi (probably at least 6.0-7.0, if not more), who is now making less the Mark DeRosa for perspectives sake. Even if you drop Garcia and add back McCarthy, Bmac would be hitting his first arb year in 2009, so his salary would be taking a nice jump, not to mention that a few of the main bullpen all hitting their late arbitration years, and seeing their numbers jump big time. To keep this team as is would take something in the area of $130 in 2008, and $150 million by 2009. This team is maxed out as far as revenue sources, because their park was pretty close to sold out this year, and they also didn't have all of the extra playoff revenues coming in, which was balanced out by the addition of a few higher price seats, a new sponsor, and higher comcastnet revenues. Pretty much unless you want to pay an extra 50% for your tickets, this team cannot pay the kind of salaries it would take to bring back all of these players.

You can pretty much assume whenever there are a couple hundred people on the site, or MYSQL connections errors are popping up, the search engine is the first of a few things to go.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 12:29 PM) In jerry's words about resigning pitchers currently on team When attendence goes up another 50%, we will be able to support the $150 million payroll it would have taken to sign up all 5 of these guys long term, and then bringing back Joe Crede, Jermaine Dye, a premeir leadoff hitter, another bullpen arm... etc etc. No where is it stated that payroll is going down, or even not up.

Definately not a closer, but Foulke as the main set up guy would be an excellent move, as, if healthy, that change would be a moster pitch when surrounded by the Sox flamethrowing pen. The contrast would be huge. That being said, why would Keith want to come here when there are much more open jobs in MLB?

Great job Tex.

All real good tips, but I am wondering how many of us actually have a chance to get stuck in the wilderness anymore?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 10:50 PM) The oldsters in the crowd will remember the downsizing trends of the seventies and eighties. If there is a department of ten people and someone notices is runs just fine with 7 or 8, guess what happens? So be careful what you wish for. That was also a completely different era. Effeciencies are way up now, and most offices run at bare bones levels, if not worse, with employees being a valued commodity because unemployment is at historically low levels, vs back then when it was more like 10%.

The drumline last night... a thing of beauty.

This isn't a link to "Invisable touch" again is it?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:10 AM) Excuse me, but the constant cracks about me being a "child" (not just "high school student" or "teenager") aren't insults? Please. All I'm saying is, everyone has made it clear that you're all so offended at the voting "controversy" and it's clear, then, that there'd be no point to participating in a runoff election. Hell, most of my votes came without me urging anyone on via PM, and so the references to me "spamming" my way to victory are way overblown and petty. You took something that 4 other people put a lot of work into, a lot of thought into, and made a complete joke out of it. Its this exact kind of stuff, that makes people wonder about your age. Something like that is a perfect summary of why you get crap about your age. Its exactly why you don't get taken seriously by the "adults" around here. And trust me, age has nothing to do with it. If you had taken the time and articulated your positions, people would have taken them seriously. You don't seem to realize that there are plenty of high school and college kids who get taken very seriously around these parts, and just happen to be playing a key roll in running the show here. Age has nothing to do with it. It's all about how you act. Heck with computers, 99.9% of the people have no idea who you are, how old you are, or anything else about you. All they have to go on is the posts you put up here, and that is where the perception about your age comes from. Its nobody else's fault but your own. To be honest, I am not upset you won, I am upset the Rex, Tex, NSS, and PA wasted their time doing the work they did on it. That's what bothers me.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Dec 8, 2006 -> 08:15 AM) Stats are pretty rough, but he was on KC. (25-33, 5.38 ERA, 1.51 WHIP) His Service Time is 3.077 and he made $1.225 million for 2006. The best part is he fired Boras as his agent, so he is almost a shoe in for the Sox. His numbers are skewed by some serious injuries. He was not the same guy right after he was returning from his injury.

Why wouldn't you kick the tires on Hernandez? He has front of the rotation stuff, if you can keep him from getting hurt.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:11 PM) Atlanta Braves just do what they do, but win it more often Oh how could we have been so stupid. With all of MLB able to emulate the braves, I can't believe we haven't done it sooner QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) So was Jon Rauch if I remember correctly. Rauch would have been big time, but that shoulder injury really set him back. He was never the same after it.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) I hate you.... Ah, you're just jealous you didn't think of it first

Whatever happened to predictability?

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...ews/262980.html

I count 12 "no", 5 "maybes" and 1 "yes"

QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) Democrats do, but that has little to nothing to do with this very specific problem with FEMA. Why can't people just accept something for what it is without running to some pointless and false equivolent in an attempt to evade dealing with the problem at hand? QUOTE(Damen @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:21 PM) When he shows some respect for the damn constitution, he'll merit respect for the office he's disrespected. Its ironic that those two posts were made back to back.

I get the feeling it won't be as split as you think it will be...

QUOTE(joeynach @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:24 PM) Im not so sure the market will be the same next year or the year after. If there is a larger amount of FA pitching the prices should go down. THat could happen over the next couple years. This panic on todays market stuff is what Im talking about. And who knows maybe MB, JC, JG, or JV want to stay sox and give a nice hometown discount. Its the sox that seem more stubborn. Its has been documented they dont offer more than 3 year contracts to pitchers, that will not help your chances or keeping your FA's or getting new ones. If that was the case, MB and FG would have signed extensions a long time ago.

Sorry I only made it through a two pages worth of posts, but I can totally see why you don't think you depend on insults or namecalling to make your points. Those are totally intelligent thinking. Have fun, I am done with this stuff.