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QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 10:53 AM) And yet all we have heard out of the Sox players is how they b**** about attendance.......... Win, and they will come. To be fair, all that has been published is how the Sox b**** about attendance. Do you think anyone asked about attendance last night so that the Sox could say how much it helped? And if they did, did anyone care enough to publish it? I doubt it.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 10:39 AM) This is way out of my knowledge area, so permit me to ask a couple questions. The purpose of a blind trust is to negate the possibility of the Senator having an unfair advantage in the market, because of possible laws that may be enacted or investigations he would be privy to. The Trust company is then protecting the public from a potential abuse of power. Now I can see why they would have a legal and moral responsibility. I am assuming that the trustees are allowed to use their knowledge to buy and sell holdings held in trust. If I have read and understood this correctly, the owner of the trust is allowed to offer directions like "sell all my holdings in XYZ Corp.", because he knew he had them before his holding went into a blind trust. He would not be allowed to know how much he had at that moment, or the purchase price. He would not be allowed to order a purchase of XYZ Corp. because he would then know what was in his blind trust. Correct? Another assumption is once a year he would see any gains or losses that would impact his income tax return. Correct? So at some point the veil is lifted? Frist's violation would be in obtaining any insider information, not in directing the trustee to sell his stock. The trustee's violation would be in sharing with Frist the amount of stock he owned? A key difference in the after hours trading is it allowed those traders to know results before making the transaction. Problems in Tokyo? Make a trade. Big, big difference. Having tomorrow's newspaper when investing is a big difference from knowing what you own and asking it be sold. Trusts are supposed to go a level beyond that even. I don't think anyone is supposed to have knowledge of what they own in trust, but I am not sure how it works for a family holding. Most blind trusts don't allow ANY knowledge of what they own, just for the conflict of interest reason. That is why Cheney liquidated his Haliburton position before assuming VP. As I understand blind trusts they are to be completely independant of any influence by the owner. That's what makes it a blind trust. There are regular trust accounts for those who want info and influence.

for Hermanson. Hopefully the whole f***ing team was listening to him last night, because that was the best TEAM effort I have seen in a while. Guys were bunting, hitting the other ways, and trying to move runners along. Only a week more to go guys...

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Sep 24, 2005 -> 05:40 PM) He is pitching at that caliber right now. The Angels used a young gun in KRod to be the closer in the playoffs in HIS rookie year. I say, why not? Big BIG difference needing 3 outs, vs starting a game. Also I think you are forgetting that Rodriquez did NOT close in the 2002 playoffs, and Percival did as Percy registered 7 saves to K-Rods zero. So now we have gone from comparing set up men to game two starters... Put Brandon in the pen as a reliever. So far he hasn't looked bad coming out of the pen, and you get can get him some valuable learning experience for the future, but you don't take a care with

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) If that Crede homer didn't lift them, I don't know what can. Read between the lines there. It isn't about swinging for the fences, that is the problem. We need to get this team stringing together hits, so that they don't feel they have to swing for the fences w RISP. Put continual pressure on a team, instead of one swing and done.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) Were any laws violated by the Trust Company in giving him the info? It seems that the burden is on Frist. The Trust company is violating ethical standards, Frist may have broken the law. law>>ethics (although it would be nice if they were the same) I don't think requesting info into a blind trust would be nearly as big of a legal problem as a company who trades blind trusts, giving one trader an advantage over the rest of their customers. They had the same type of problems a couple of years ago with certian mutal fund traders getting to trade after hours, while regular guys were not able to, and they paid fines in the $100 million+ range for it. This amounts to the samething, with certian people getting an illegal advantage over someone else, but doing something that is expressly forbidden in the type of account they have, but only because the trust company was willing to give it to them. If Frist had requested information, and the trust had refused to give it to them, this would have never happened. This is actually remarkably similar to Hillary's insider trading at the MERC that got poo-pooped under by Janet Reno as well.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 08:11 AM) Harrellson said that the Sox are now 5-13 in those 18 games. I knew they were bad with a full house, but I thought it was a little better than that. I think it has more to do with who we play those days vs how many are in the stands. How many sellouts have we had against KC, Detroit, etc, and how many did we have against the Yankees, Red Sox, etc? It isn't the attendance at all.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 24, 2005 -> 08:04 PM) Going back to the seat issue, they already took out close to, if not more than 4000 seats of the UD, and those were seats not often used. The first 7 or 8 rows of the bleachers are always sold, Boston or KC. Just based on that alone would make it next to never that they will move the fences back. We lost about 8000 seats with the rennovation. They aren't going to make the park any smaller, so this isn't going to happen now.

What is interesting is I have yet to see ANY articles talking about anyone charging the Trust company with a complete violation of their charter and ethics. It seems like everyone is so worried about nabbing the big fish that they are completely ignoring the biggest violators. Frist might have asked for the information, but a much bigger act is the company actually giving it to him.

Beat me to 32 : Happy Birthday Kiddo, and here is to what you really want for your birthday... 11 more wins starting October 4th

A wire story about the guy behind this site

LMAO, well everyone wanted Everett out of the 3 spot Just another case of be careful what you wish for

With the kind of slump this team is in, it is the kind of thing where one big basehit breaks open the floodgates. Someone just needs to try to go back through the middle or the other way, instead of trying to hit one to Fundementals. If they can get a lead early, maybe we will actually see this team relax and not to try to do too much. To me that is all this slump is. The first four months when the Sox were winning everyone was content in their roll and wasn't trying to do anything more than they were asked. Now everyone is trying to win every game on one pitch, one throw, one swing. They need to stay within themselves and play the way that got them this far in the first place.

This thread is going no where good, its over. Let it go.

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QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 01:28 PM) I believe much of baseball still uses that damn year of 1919 for some reason. Honestly. How often do people STILL say "yeah, but they threw a World Series, they're cheaters". I still hear that one used all the time, even though EVERYBODY from that time period is dead. Well actually Dick Clark is still alive...

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 01:11 PM) You’re Both Right! Sure, most folks know Hawk was a career .239 hitter. But that doesn’t seem to prevent him from having an outsize ego which allows no point of view in the broadcast booth other than his own, all the while maintaining that “aw shucks” personality. A lot of best managers and general managers of all times were not great ball players. For example... Billly Beane Tony Larussa I don't think either of those guys lack any ego, but still are great at what they do, despite how bad their playing careers were.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) All I know is that I want to be at Soxfest to see what goes down. I think Ozzie and Kenny are in for a big suprise. Surprise? From listening to them talk I think they know everyone is pissed, and are plenty pissed of themselves. I don't think there will be much surprise involved at all.

Rita has now been downgraded to a category 3 storm, with sustained top winds of 125 mph. I also was looking at the radar and the western corridor of the storm is really falling apart. I wonder if we are seeing a lucky break happening here?

QUOTE(Darren @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:29 PM) I think you may see them move the fences back. We've tried the power team approach, was always near the top of the league in HRs and we never won it all. I say move the fences back, make it a more pitcher friendly park and move on. I keep seeing this mentioned, but I want to know how it would be phsically possible? The stands are built right up to the walls, and there isn't much foul territory behind home plate that they could use. They already took 8000 seats out of the park, so I don't think they will sacrifice anymore seats, not to mention rebuilding the bullpens again somewhere else. I just don't see this happening.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) Just remember, when he makes that comparison, he's not saying that the comparison holds on moral grounds. He's saying it holds on legal grounds. Morally...would most people, even Christians, say its wrong to punish children for the actions of their parents? I'd say a huge majority would agree - I don't think we're Klingons here. But the law in this matter seems settled by the precedent of the case involving the Boy Scouts. As a private organization, the Church can make whatever rules it wants, and can discriminate against whoever it wants. That's built into the right of assembly and the free excercise clause in the constitution. Yeah that is pretty much where I was going with this... QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:19 PM) IMO, based on the moral grounds it would be given more weight then a case over a CC membership. That's why I see no comparison. I understand the "legal" course... but in a country where you can become a millionare for spilling coffee on yourself... I would test the waters with a case like this. As for the Klingons... watch out.. I'm pretty sure there ARE a few here. For whatever reason in the courts eyes, it is much more beneficial to be stupid, than racist. That is just MHO.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) This page's resident Geologist welcomes you. (/Bad Pun)

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) I agree with you both. But I don't think "legally" matters. A sympathetic jury is all they need... I would like to see them sue. I would like to see this s*** tested. It makes me sick that children are denied an education based on what happens in their personal lives. That's the thing. People have sued. Women have tried on many occasions to get into Augusta Country Club. Gay troop leaders have sued to not be dismissed by the Boy Scouts of America. I believe the Scouts case ended up in front of the Supreme Court, and they ruled because the scouts are a privately funded, private organization, they could let in and exclude pretty much anyone they wanted to. Conversly there is nothing to say that they couldn't start an all gay school, and ban any Christians from joining. I think educationally all they have to argue is that the kid has a chance at an education because public schools are always an option. Its not like the kid can't go to school at all, just not that particular school. Being a Christian it pains me because if you aren't showing love and tolerance towards people you don't agree with, you aren't living up to Jesus's teachings to love all men, and this is just one more instance of the church being 100% wrong on an issue. Even if you believe something is wrong, it is up to God to decide his fate, and not man.

Legally I don't know that they have a leg to stand on. The courts have ruled in the past that private organizations have the right to restrict their membership to whom they see fit. The parents also had to have agreed to the schools terms to enroll their kid into the school. Morally, it sucks. It is what keeps gays out of the boy scouts, women out of certian golf clubs etc.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) Oh STOP IT. Keep letting the sharks swim here to throw the blood in the water, because it sounds so good. Since when did logic and common sense belong in this forum? I also forgot to mention that block trades (individual trades that account for a certian % of a stocks float) are made public after every trading day as well. This is another way that traders use to piece together insider buying/selling as well as things like hostile takeovers etc. If that article about Frist not selling to the end is true, all of this is another witchhunt. It all comes down to the timing of the deals. If he was the first or one of the first to dump, he probably was acting on insider info. If he was on the end, he is a dumbass and a bad trader, risking the markets getting wind of things before he can get out of his position.