Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 06:16 PM) This is terrible news if true. It is true and it is terrible. He said in a couple years, and it did sound like he was planning on doing some form of rebuilding, he and JR will sit down and discuss his future.

KW just said on CSN he's on board "at least a couple more years". So he's going nowhere.

Oney saying he's thinking about bailing on the Twitter. 18 months too late.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 05:37 PM) JR? True that's his real boss, but I'm sure they have let him and Harold know what is going on, and I'm sure if they have been told the likelihood of who it will be.

Kurtjian was on the radio and said he talked to a Sox player who said the players talked more about Ozzie/KW than the game.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:16 PM) If I was Coop, I'd turn it down until I knew who my new boss would be. He probably has a pretty good idea.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 05:25 PM) More good, definitive news: Chris Rongey Kenny says that Buddy Bell is not in the mix for the manager position. The case for Alomar is looking stronger #whitesox 5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Alomar has everything the Sox are probably looking for. They loved him as a future manager when he was on the team 3 or 4 times, so familiarity, he's well respected around the game and it would be his first managerial gig, so the price is right, plus not that it matters, I still think he has a place here.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) That's a relief. Every other name I've heard mentioned so far, I'd be fine with. There's a long list of things that need to be fixed beyond the manager, and we at least need to get this move right. I think anyone other than Alomar Jr. would be an upset.

Ballantini or whatever his name is, the CSN White Sox insider said KW is not Ozzie's boss, something many have suspected. Is KW turning into the least powerful GM in baseball?

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 26, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) Cowley's got quotes... http://twitter.com/#!/cst_Cowley Ozzie should just start packing now. He's done wearing a Sox uniform in 48 hours. The best one: cst_Cowleycst_Cowley Oz on no deal, "Things will have to change. My wife will have to shop less, I will have to drink less, Oney will have to get a job ... "

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:49 PM) The one thing that never gives you real knowledge is the stat column or wins and losses. The stat column says that this offense has been below average, average, and terrible the last 3 years, especially when you consider that they're in a hitters park. What about the talent level? Does that play a role? The offense isn't very good this year, but there are 3 guys that didn't do the job. Next time you're at a game sit next to the dugout. When a White Sox strikes out by swinging at a pitch over his head or pops up just think about how a guy sitting in the dugout is the guy who is totally at fault. I'm extremely confident if the Sox don't change personnel on the field the results at the plate no matter who is coaching them next year will have a familiar look, if not worse.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) Good point. So we can dismiss what players say about the coaches, I'm all for that. You get your real knowledge from the opinions of talk radio hosts and call ins, and message board posts.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) Usually, yes it does. Bad attendance issues, poor performance, bad client relationships. We arent talking about a guy getting laid off by a company that is downsizing, we are talking about a coach that is not being retained. And as we already learned, KW did not want him, a few times. And Jerry flipped it on him Joe Torre was fired a couple of times and he's going into the HOF as a manager. He's only had one issue with Kenny and that was a few weeks ago. Kenny fired him just like Kenny fired Ozzie last year. He gets mad at a subordinate because he was called out for being unprofessional. He didn't "fire" him because he thinks he a bad hitting coach.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:31 PM) Where the hell was the hold? Completely impacted the wagering there. It does make you wonder.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:26 PM) I am curious DA, when Walker inevitably is let go this offseason, what are you going to attribute it to? You obviously do not feel his performance in his position is worth letting him go, so will it be due to outside pressure(ie. internet, fans, media)? And try to answer that question without bringing up another coach. Guys get replaced. I really don't think he wants to be here anymore. Plenty of people in baseball and all over life are "let go". It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad at their jobs. You probably know someone personally or even yourself who has been let go from a job. Does it mean they were among the worst employees at their company? If the Sox thought Walker was as bad as the average Soxtalk poster thinks, he would have not been brought back a long time ago.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 06:16 PM) This is extreme grasping for straws. Turner was awful. So is Martz, but he's a genius if he has good players. Turner wasn't bad with decent players either. 3 games into the season and the Bears playoff hopes are dwindling.

Ron Turner was clearly the problem with the Bears offense.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) Then blame KW for that. Not Cooper. Cooper did his part. Just like with Thornton. Thornton to many now is overpaid. But that's based off of the pure domination that he was from '06 through last year. You keep referencing Gavin Floyd and his god-awful 4.50 ERA or whatever it is. What have the Phillies gotten from Freddy Garcia since the trade? What did Floyd provide for a more than reasonable cost from '08 through '10? Again, projects aren't the same. It's like going to Little Ceasers and expecting the same quality as you would from a much more mainstream establishment like Giordanos or even Pizza Hut. Don't ever blame Cooper for anything, and make sure Walker is blamed for everything with hitters. That must be part of the White Sox fan oath. I'm just saying look at them equally. I'm not calling for Cooper's head. All I'm saying is if it were a hitter and you would say the problem is Walker, you should then say the same about pitchers and Cooper.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) Again, the standard for reclamation projects vs big money FA signings or first-round draft picks are not the same. They're not meant to last. This is what me and Shack got into. Shack claimed that "they're are more ways to skin a cat" then to scout, draft and develop. And he's right. My beef is that if that's your only means of surviving, you're in trouble. Because that's a dangerous game to play long-term. That should be a supplemental way of staying afloat. Not the only way. This organization's biggest failure without question is the blatant inability to produce from within. Contreras was given a rather lucrative extension. He also struggled when he came over and struggled a bit at the beginning of 2005 enough that a lot of Soxtalk wanted him traded for AJ Burnett which would have been a disaster.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 04:09 PM) Mainly, IMO, because that's the only stretch he was healthy for. So how do you know Dunn is fully healthy?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 03:55 PM) If he did, then he's nuts. He overthrew Williams. Knox would have had to be 20 yards down the field to catch that. Well he did make some slashing jester and then put up a 1 and a 3. It could mean anything.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 03:57 PM) Because Jose Contreras snapped off one of the best 25-30 game runs anyone has seen. I was Contreras' biggest backer on this board. You don't have to give me a history lesson, but if its all Cooper, what about all the other games Contreras pitched for the White Sox? Why weren't the magical musings of Don Cooper working then?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) DA, that's some borderline elrockin' s*** right there. I'm disappointed in you. You said he started 3 series so there is no way anything Greg Walker has done that could top that. His prized project was a bigger reason for the title and you know it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) I was thinkin' Damaso Marte. Funny thing is, DA, along with Shack, were probably the two biggest Jose supporters on the board while he was here. Now DA is doing everything in his power to discredit Contreras (to make Cooper look worse) and in turn build up the resume of his fake god Walker. I've never encountered a fan that wanted to be a martyr for a hitting coach. I'm not discrediting Contreras at all. What is funny is how trashed Jose Contreras was on this board for years, and now he's a feather in Don Cooper's cap.

When Cutler left the field after the last incompletion to Roy Williams, did he make a jester to get Williams out of the game, and then put up a 1 and a 3 for perhaps Johnny Knox?