Dick Allen

Put them over the top. We can only imagine the excuses you would make for Hahn if his former MVP was to miss a season and they didn't win. The facts are he signed JD Martinez, got Chris Sale, and had one of the better teams of all time.

He didn't get fired. He quit the Red Sox twice.

The dunce who made the moves to build a team that won 113 games and a WS.

Theo won 3 times.

Let Frare work on things in Charlotte, get some confidence and come back later. It's going to be a revolving door as usual, so going to Charlotte is no big deal. If he's good enough, he'll be back.

I agree. He won twice in Boston. Won with the Cubs. Now he has a team that won 95 games in 2018 and everyone thinks they were horrible. I wonder who really is better than him.

Almora seems like a decent pick. Happ seems like he might be OK. Schwarber isn't Babe Ruth but he contributes. Everyone here seems to like Dylan Cease. Theo drafted him.

He is good at the draft. Has made several good trades. Has missed on some free agents, but, if you are going to have sustained success, most of those teams do miss on free agents and are in a postion to handle it. If we are expecting sustained success from the White Sox, they better be prepared to outright miss big once in while or wind up paying guys past their primes, which right now, seems like they are not since they wouldn't with Machado. They are in a bad division that with Illich dead probably means they are in the only spot they can win for a while without spending tons, but they need new evaluators.

Theo also drafted a couple of MVPs. One in the second round in 2004. The White Sox 4 picks before Pedroia was taken..Josh Fields, Gio Gonzalez, Wes Whisler, and Donny Lucy. And their 5 picks before Theo picked Mookie Betts in round 5 Walker, Johnson, Soptic, McMillen, Snodgrass. It was always a built in excuse the White Sox with their mediocre record couldn't draft well because they didn't draft high enough. Even this rebuild is OK taking longer even though they had a top 3 pick in Rodon a couple of years before it started and Collins was a guy Hostetler said he would have taken had he had pick #1. Rick Hahn is a smart guy. But as a major league GM, he's lacking. The results are there for everyone to see.

Part of the bad watchability is the game is close to over in the first inning. The first inning was a problem last season as well. It would be nice not to be down a couple of runs before they came to bat.

Yet his teams win, and there is despair when they only win 95, and Hahn is still looking to Generally Manage a team that wins 80 games.

We all would have done the same thing if we were him. No question. So I certainly don't blame him for the sweetheart deal. That's something we all look for.

I think when you have a 12.00 ERA there has to be some concern. We will see if it's just a tough stretch or something to worry about over the next month or so.

The AL Central is the Sox saving grace. It probably is the only division in baseball where a team that doesn't spend huge money has at least a shot of sustained winning.

The ran into a hot team is a great excuse. However, they lost 2 out of 3 to KC, and KC was so hot they haven't won another game.

JR has a deal where if he doesn't sell a certain number of full priced tickets, his rent is cheaper. There was a big to do about this several years ago when they had half priced Mondays and bring a Pepsi can for half priced Tuesdays. I would think the Ballpark Pass would also be an issue, but right now, I think they don't sell many of those, and they are well under the threshold anyways.

It depends what game you are going to. If it's a White Sox game, go to stubhub, buy a $6 ticket in the upper deck, it will run you close to $10 with fees, and you'll be able to sit wherever you want.

So no one is to take what happens in the first 11 games of the season as meaningful unless it fits the narrative that the rebuild is going smoothly? Anderson made strides last year in the field without a doubt. His hitting, after a decent start, fell back to previous norms. We will see what happens. I do know he will not hit .500. Hopefully he will improve to the point where he really is a guy we want at SS for a good team.

They are decent, but can't stay healthy. Building an NBA team that makes the playoffs, ie being .500, isn't THAT difficult. The Bulls will get a decent draft pick, sign some second or third tier free agent, similar in effectiveness to a Jabari Parker, and talk playoffs. The free agent either will not fit in or get hurt. The draft pick will play decently but not outstanding, and everyone will continue to get injured, and they will miss the playoffs again and be in NBA hell. You can see it coming from 1000 miles away. The Athletic had a player poll. One out of 3 players polled said the coach they would not want to play for happens to be the Bulls coach who GarPax are very happy with. They are never wrong, like the Sox brass, everyone else is, results be damned. They both are similar, and they both shouldn't be employed by professional sports franchises.

The vast majority of this board thought the White Sox would be pretty decent by 2019, maybe even contention if you go back to when the big trades started happening. Michael Kopech being hurt shouldn't be the difference between being a halfway decent team or even a contending team, and one of the worst teams in baseball unless he is the most valuable pitcher of all time. Fangraphs had his ceiling as a #3 starter. There is something wrong. It needs to be fixed as soon as possible. Unfortunately, the White Sox have the people who can't see problems in charge of finding and correcting them. You shouldn't be this far along and be saying, but we have this guy in A ball..............

The problem with firing Cooper, which to me would be the longshot of longshots, is Hassler takes over, and really very little change if any, with what they are doing.

KW has in the past, mentioned the Forbes summary of the White Sox profits were incorrect. But he has used Forbes as a source when saying the Sox are one of the top teams in regards to spending their gross revenue on player salaries. So Forbes is wrong, but here, look what Forbes says.

The pitching is bad, but they aren't going to continue to give up 7 runs a game. So there will be some movement toward the mean. Guys like Palka, it should be short leash time. Give him the weekend. If he still doesn't have a hit, sorry Danny Boy it's Charlotte time. I get being patient, and being in a rebuild, but it would be nice if even if it was a token move at this point, the Sox did something to show what is going on is not acceptable.

Firing someone would be an admission of being wrong, something that takes the White Sox making a colossal blunder to ever admit . I have no doubt JR, KW and RH will pop off 9 or 10 years from now to point out how correct they were if Machado isn't still a big time player. I know a lot of posters are sick of the Machado talk, but what a blunder. Not only does he immediately increase your talent level, it's a boost to everyone else on the roster who now knows the White Sox truly believe in them. A large part of the game is mental, and cheaping out on a big time player IMO may have taken the wind out of several other players' sails.

According to Renteria on the postgame the Sox pitching problems have nothing to do with preparation or having a plan, they just all are suffering from delivery problems right now. coop will fix em