Dick Allen

I doubt Bartolo would come to a team with no chance anyways. His last time with the White Sox left a bad taste in KW's mouth.

Ynoa has been stinking the joint up and is out of options. His velocity is down as well. He probably won't be claimed, and will be with the Knights shortly.

I was with my dog in Dallas last week. It's supposed to be $125 each way for the dog. United never charged me. Let me board with the first group. Also let me change my flight for no charge. It was delightful.

QUOTE (The Mighty Mite @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 06:32 PM) Question, don't know if you have the answer. Say JR dies but the rest of the owners decide not to sell, can JR's kids overrule the rest of the owners or is it a done deal that the club is to be sold when JR dies. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07...chael-reinsdorf

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 05:21 PM) DJ saying team has lacked focus of late I am.not a Renteria guy, but I think it is natural when. half the team might be different in a month.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) yea it's that easy. Tell it to Todd maybe the Sox will hire you as a hitting coach. I always wonder why I unignore your posts. Someone smarter than me with probability can calculate the odds of a 230 hitter fluking into a 265 season. I'm sure it's possible. Just like a coin can land on heads 4 times in a row. LOL..Frazier has hit .260 before. Never let facts get in the way of your ridiculous posts.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Even though they led wire to wire the memory of 2001-2002-2003 (and the choke in late September) and to a certain extent the fade in the second half of 2004 (due to injuries) were still fresh in fan's minds. "How are they going to blow it this time?" was always there. Why would it be any different if they started having more success? The possibility of choking or fading will always be there.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Actually, there are 6. The A's, Nationals, Royals, Reds, Rays and Pirates. What's interesting in looking through all of them individually, is that most of them set their all-time attendance records in a year where one of the following happened. 1) They had 2 or more consecutive playoff appearances in the years prior. Or in the case of the 2011 Giants, they were in the middle of an every other year WS championship streak. 2) It was their first year of existence. The 1993 Marlins and Rockies. The 1998 Rays, The 2005 Nationals. 3) It was their first (or last) year at a stadium. 2008 Mets, 2010 Twins, 2004 Padres. The only real anomalies are the 2007 Dodgers, the 1997 Orioles, the 2008 Tigers and the 2011 Brewers. I'm not sure what was special about the years they hit their attendance highs.Even the teams that have lower records than the Sox fit into one of these categories. 1993 Rockies 4,483,350 first year of existence 2008 Yankees 4,298,655 It's the Yankees. The one year out of an 18-year span they didn't make the playoffs. 1993 Blue Jays 4,057,947 2nd of back to back WS wins. Skydome had a capacity of over 53,000 2008 Mets 4,042,045 Last season at Shea Stadium 1993 Braves 3,884,720 3 consecutive playoff appearances (including 2 WS) in 91, 92 and 93. 2007 Dodgers 3,857,036 Consistently around 3 million pretty much every year. Not sure what's special about this specific year. 2010 Phillies 3,777,322 Consecutive playoff appearances from 2007 - 2011. Won WS in 2008. 1997 Orioles 3,711,132 team drew over 3 million every year between 1992 and 2001 (minus strike year). 97 was second playoff appearance in a row 1998 Dbacks 3,610,290 first year of existence 2007 Cards 3,552,180 6 playoff appearances in 7 years prior. WS win in 2006. 2002 Mariners 3,542,938 Went to ALCS in 2000 and 2001. Won 116 games in 2001. Attendance steadily declined in following years. 1999 Indians 3,468,456 midst of sellout record, won division 4 years prior 2012 Rangers 3,460,280 went to WS in 2010 and 2011. 2006 Angels 3,406,790 Consecutive playoff appearance 2 years prior and 3 years after. 2011 Giants 3,387,303 Middle of an every other year WS championship. Won it in 2010, 2012 and 2014. 2008 Cubs 3,300,200 First back to back playoff appearance since 1908. Steadily declined until next playoff appearance in 2015. 2010 Twins 3,223,640 first year of new stadium (has gone down every year since) 2008 Tigers 3,202,645 no idea? WS 2 years prior. Payroll jumped about 45 million 2004 Astros 3,087,872 Pretty good jump from 2003. Went to NLCS. 2005 attendance was actually lower. 2011 Brewers 3,071,373 No idea? Pretty good jump from 2010. Went to NLCS in 2011. 1993 Marlins 3,064,847 first year of existence 2009 Red Sox 3,062,699 Build up from previous years. Didn't go down much 2 years after either. Haven't cracked 3 million mark since 2012 2004 Padres 3,016,752 first year of new stadium Never above 3 million since. 2006 White Sox 2,957,414 year after WS win 1990 A's 2,900,217 3rd consecutive WS appearance. 2005 Nationals 2,731,993 First year of current iteration 2015 Royals 2,708,549 2nd consecutive WS appearance. 1976 Reds 2,629,708 2nd of back to back WS wins 1998 Rays 2,506,293 First year of existence 2015 Pirates 2,498,596 Third consecutive year of playoff appearances The problem is that 2005 pretty much came out of nowhere. The fans came out about as well as you can expect for a team that was predicted to finish 3rd or 4th in the division and hadn't shown a lot of promise in the years past. Then in 2006 we came out in droves ready to support the team as much as we could. But they fell short and then 2007 happened and we all figured it was back to the same ole, same old once again. Sure we got teased a little in 2008 but I don't think anyone really believed that team would do much. And we've gotten nothing since then. I'm positive the Sox would support a consistant winner/contender. We just haven't been given the chance yet. The thing about 2005, the White Sox were never not in first place. First place from day one until the end of the season and 11-1 in the playoffs. About as dominating as can be. Yet in September, they didn't even draw 50k today for a 3 day series vs. KC.

The goalposts will be moved once the team does start winning again. They will draw better than now, but they will draw what a mid market team draws when they win. Right now, the flavor of the day is consecutive playoff appearances. Like 2 86 win wild card appearances would trump the 2005-2006 teams. And one huge factor for the 2006 attendance was the amount of people buying season ticket plans in order to secure World Series tickets. Without it, attendance may have been close to 100k lower.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) In today's MLB, with his current hit tool, there is no way he's a 265 hitter, ever. I'm hoping he can stick behind C and in his prime, 25-30, produce some 230/330/400 lines. If he's a decent catcher, that's about 2-3 WAR. If a guy can hit .230, and plays every day, the no way he can hit .265 is silly. It's 17.5 hits per 500 AB.

Like everyone else, it all depends on the return. If it's a real nice prospect, trade him. If it's for a Charlie Tilson type, some one who may be decent, but probably winds up a 4th OF, you might as well keep him. Still cheap with control.

One thing would be to look at all time top attendance figures. You can blame JR all you want but there are only 5 teams that have an all time top attendance mark lower than the White Sox. That to me indicates they are not in reality a large market team. Even when everything goes right, the people don't come out like they do under similar circumstances in other cities.

I'm going to wait a while before thinking Tatis is a first ballot HOFer. I'm guessing he eventually tails off like other future HOFers the Sox traded. Jeremy Reed, Marcus Semien, Trayce Thompson.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 04:53 PM) I think the Sox have been broken for a decade but they are taking proactive steps to try to solve matters. Given the limitations both self imposed and outside of their control this was the wisest course of action they could take. My point though is in reply to the original poster that the Sox will not go bankrupt tomorrow if they "only" draw 1.5 million. Because of the massive and different revenue streams for MLB they are fine financially. Now throw in what is arguably the best stadium deal in all of MLB and the last thing any fan has to worry about is their financial solvency. When (if) they start winning again attendance will be fine. History shows with this franchise you have to win for fans to come out. It takes time but eventually they do. Now if you want to KEEP fans coming out you have to win consistently, which the Sox with rare exceptions (1951-1967, 1981-1983, 2000-2006) have not done. But to dismiss attendance is crazy. In 2012 the White Sox were in first place most of the season, and came in 24th in attendance. The Cubs lost 101 games and averaged 36k a game. There are a lot of things the Cubs were able to do with their rebuild that other teams like the White Sox will not. I know if you and Thad Bosley were running the team there would be a $300 million payroll and $5 face value seats right behind the dugout with almost free beer for everyone, and the team would undoubtedly make the World Series more often than not, but reality says that doesn't happen.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) I've posted it is still important but no longer makes or breaks a franchise. I believe that to be correct. I never stated it doesn't matter. However, it is significant money. The Cubs on average draw about 18k more than the White Sox. Almost 1.5 million over the course of a season. Even if you conservatively put that at $50 a head, it's an additional $75 million, which, if you think the Sox are broken, and from your posts I think that would be a safe assumption, it definitely would help fix it. Considering the discrepancy in ticket prices, the Cubs probably will pull in close to $100 million more than the White Sox this year through ticket sales. It's is still important, not only for now, but the future. Once people stop going to games and find alternative things to do with their time and other ways to spend their entertainment funds, it can take a long time to get them back. The White Sox are wise to keep their prices low for now. It will be interesting to see how much success they will need to pull the plug on things like family Sunday.

Avi returns.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) I think his absence is easily explained by the fact that he has missed nearly a month of the season. And he is still 3rd in baseball in WAR.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 11:59 AM) Maybe when new ownership comes to pass but not before. And again, attendance no longer makes or breaks a franchise...this isn't the 1950's anymore. There are multiple revenue streams bringing in millions upon millions of dollars to teams and a lot of those streams are shared equally among all teams. To say it doesn't matter much is not paying attention. It isn't the end all it once was, but just taking ticket revenue, the difference between the Cubs and Sox is a pretty good chunk of change. The White Sox now have some of the cheapest tickets in the league.

QUOTE (Saladino'sMustache @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) Kahnle got absolutely robbed. I know he's had some trouble lately, but look at his numbers compared to Betances. Kahnle: 0.9 WAR, 2.20 ERA, 0.918 WHIP, 7.86 K/BB. Betances: 0.5 WAR, 3.12 ERA, 1.346 WHIP, 2.29 K/BB. It's not even close. Think about Justin Turner. Hitting over .380. OPS over 1.000 and playing GG defense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) I think the problem with the trade from the Nats perspective is that they traded for a player that they didn't really need; they had OFs and while they needed a better CF, Eaton's only an average CF defensively. He was elite in RF. Couple that with paying full price for Eaton, and you get some dissatisfaction. They arguably paid above full price, but considering that they were frustrated with Giolito, in their metrics, it's seems full, not excess. I don't know if they will do another deal with the Sox - doesn't matter that much as long as they keep looking for pen help - that maintains market demand. Plenty of teams need a reliever. Robertson won't cost THAT much - certainly not an elite prospect. But he could help any contender - he has shown he can pitch multiple innings and multiple days in a row. You are ignoring their baseball people agreed to the trade. Ownership blocked it due to money. They also had basically agreed to a contract with Greg Holland until ownership blocked it due to a performance based option. It has nothing to do with the Eaton trade. No one knows how that trade will work out. You could say the Sox screwed them, but that's all talk at this point.

Much deserved.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) TAJ TO THIBS Taj Gibson headed to Minnesota on two-year, $28 million deal I thought Gar said all the players wanted Thibs gone?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) One reason for low road attendance....9/10 game per year times two are in Minnesota and Cleveland. 1/4th of their road schedule is two of the bottom dwellers in attendance, and KC is already down quite a bit from last year. So 3/8th's of schedule, compared to other divisions in baseball that only have 1-2 poorly attended teams grouped together. But the other teams have the same issue ands they go to Chicago which is rhe worst attendance in the division

Think of it this way. If the Sox had not signed Robert, it wasn't like they were going to add anyone to last year's pool. So essentially it is like they signed him to this one and are penalized one year.

Renteria made a curious move yesterday when he yanked Holland with Napoli at the plate. Napoli was lost his first 2 ABs. Had no chance. Holland was at 106 pitches, but he was having no issue with this guy. Brings in Beck, and although it appeared a bit windblown, home run. Banister did the exact opposite with Hamels. Left him in for Davidson who fanned for the 3rd time, then yanked him. I know wins aren't so important now, but running the game should be. Ricky needs to improve on this.