Dick Allen

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) wasn't there talk about him being a catcher as well?? with a possibility of a recurring injury and surgery..... there is always that possibility. but then again, he will be rehabbing with the sox people which i would trust more than college coaches. He was a catcher until last season when he pitched 35 innings. I would think either genetically he may have issues in his arm, or he must have some messed up mechanics. Then he pitched in the Cape Cod league before busting loose this season. He has 119 IP as a college pitcher, not counting what he did in the Cape Cod league. Of course he was a catcher, so it wasn't like he wasn't throwing before. It just seems really quick to get injured.

Anyone read the Sullivan column on Castro and Ventura? I didn't know Sveum got fired in part because of his "tough love" act with Castro. Sully wrote Maddon uses a pat on the back approach, and seems to be getting the same results. They say the guy wants to win and be really good. It appears despite a ton of talent, (and he at least was ahead of Pete Rose in hits at his age earlier this year) he either doesn't have it in him or he has to grow up. I don't know if his contract is bargain enough to consider him a huge piece of a trade at this point.

The one thing that does seem a bit scary even if you are of the belief TJ surgery is no big deal, it's not like this guy has a lot of pitching under his belt. He blew it out quickly. Maybe I am way off, but that would make me think he is a guy who would be a good candidate to have this surgery again.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) Just for my own curiosity, I looked at the standings last year. When the 11 worst teams played a total of 770 games, it was through 6/17/14. Out of the bottom 11 teams through the same point, no team ever got over .500. Only one team made it to .500 and it was the worst team- Tampa Bay started 28-43, and went 33-18 the next 51 games to reach .500. And then immediately dropped some games and stayed under .500 the rest of the season. The Sox were 33-37, and managed to get to 54-56. I think even the most optimistic of us realizes the odds are stacking against the White Sox. But regression to the mean tells us the team should, at some point, start performing better. The offense cannot be this bad. Every year is different. I still hope the Sox get on a roll, and think they will at some point. I don't know if it will be enough, but stranger things have happened. They were 55-27 in 2006 after going 11-1 in the playoffs and never not being in first place the season before. They didn't make the playoffs. Some teams that are playing well now, won't continue to play well. Some that have been not so good, will get better.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:30 AM) Much of this was the annual AL feasting on the NL. We just had a bit of that and promptly lost 8 in a row. Edit: pods was 2009. That was a fun run. Houston is AL. I have to remind myself about that a lot.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Because they're actually in a pennant race, unexpectedly to boot, so he can actually help the team right now. I kinda get that. So it's wrong to be aggressive promoting players unless you are going to promote them into the pressures of a pennant race?

Avi is not pickimg this guy up at all. He needs a hanger.

Hawk doesn't bother sying the dreaded leadoff walk when the Sox are hitting anymore.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:48 PM) Just a crass salary dump. Terrible Of course the Sox did this with E Jackson, who would have brought back a marginal top 100 prospect like Teahen was, to save $6 mill on Teahen. Jackson was going to be a free agent. For 13 Edwin Jackson starts, and taking Teahan's money, the Sox got Frasor,, who turned into. Webb and Jaye. I really don't understand how anyone can complain about that.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) Dude's a f***in' tool. Anyone need more proof? Go read through this thread, see how often he was wrong, and then see how many times he admitted it. I guess personal attacks are now allowed. But where was I wromg in this post? Show me.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) yeah it was...dude clearly leaned into it. Crap call/non-call by the ump...still a no-hitter tho. The last 57 batters he has faced, he has allowed 1 walk, 1 hit, and 1 HBP.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) if there is enuf of a spread between getting pitcher or hitter, and the player with the highest upside is a pitcher. then yeah i would always love another Sale. Laumann said in the first several rounds they always draft best player on their board. He said in the later rounds they may Pock someone based onposition of need.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Okay but J.R. was opposed to taking advantage of market inefficiencies. There was no penalty to spend a ton before. There was absolutely no excuse to not draft guys that fell and sign them for big $$ to deals to fuse the system with talent. My biggest problem was not doing things that a team like the Red Sox used to do all the time. He never took the draft seriously. He didn't allocate the resources that could have been allocated. He did give Borchard the highest bonus ever at the time. I do think his failure spooked the team.

I don't even know if I should post this....We have a new hire in our IT department, so take this with a huge grain of salt, buy she claims to know Samardjiza and said he will be traded in the next week. If you want him traded, I wouldn't get my hopes up. I cannot verify if this is accurate for a week.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) well said....... ref the bold, can you pls expand on that for those who live outside ILL. before they move this thread, start a new one. i hope you don't mind. many thanks. Ronertson said he sucked, he took the blame for the loss. When Alexei's spin o rama for no reason cost the Sox a game, he was "unavailable" afterwards to the media.

I have no problem with Robin going to Robertson. 125 pitches last outing, 111 this, as Robin said he has to protect the crown jewel plus they have a $14 million a year closer that hasn't been used. Last year Trout homered off Sale with 115 pitches with nowhere near Robertson in the pen, and in hindsight he was called an idiot for leaving him in. People have been saying this season is over. If you believe that, why would winning last night be so important you would be willing to risk Sale's health? One sad fact, since 2012, Sale has 4 starts where he has gone at least 8 innings without giving up an earned run and didn't get the win, Hopefully some of the guys can learna lesson from Robertson owning up after the game instead of hiding like Alexei did when he blew the game.

Maybe Melky can get a hit but make it a full count to give Geo a better shot.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) Is there a promotion going on tonight? Why are so many people at this game? They sold more tickets than usual this winter. School is out. It is supposed to be warm. The crowds are going to be bigger.

Just showed Sale with a bunch of pine tar on his hand in the dugout. Oops.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) The league office has no clue on that call. They overturn a bunch of them. They changed the interpretation late last year. It isn't the same as when the White Sox got screwed last year.

QUOTE (RaySox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:13 PM) Robin is just as hard to watch as the players. How do you not challenge that? This team doesn't exactly have a top 5 offense to make up for that run You don't challenge that because there is zero chance of anything being overturned.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:45 PM) Everyone seems to know but you. The media insiders know it and this is the writer who finally says it. I think even Kenny as GM had little control when it came to firings. I have no doubt Kenny would have fired Ozzie but JR got in the way and none of that nonsense would have happened. So everyone but me knows everyone with the White Sox is the problem but Rick Hahn. Hahn was praised and praised and praised for the White Sox wheeling and dealing this past offseason, and when those players didn't perform, suddenly, he really had nothing to do with it. It was KW. It was JR. It's because Robin is managing. I don't mind Rick Hahn. I just don't understand assuming he is blameless here.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) I reading an article on hitting coaches and the conclusion is most players don't listen. That's why George Brett quit. On some organizations when players don't listen they can be replaced. I would think handling veteran players would be the biggest challenge. They may have developed habits they've gotten away with and trying to change that must be hard for the coach and the player. That story about George Brett was interesting. Mike Schmidt wrote it after talking to George. Apparently the hitters didn't want to work with him because he had suggestions, but they had no problem with the assistant because he would tell them what they wanted to hear. So George quit.

Some inaccuracy. Laumann didn't preside over the 2001-2003 drafts. And the fact that Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrook were in the Hawks OrganIzation when all these changes happened. Would the Hawks have won 3 cups and been as popular without McDonough? I am going to say probably. They were putting the home games on TV. Bill Wirtz was gone so no matter who took over would have been thought of as an upgrade, and their talent level was improving. I also think McDonough played a huge role in Brian Campbell's contract, which at least has been partially blamed on the Hawks having to dump players, although they did dump his contract...on Tallon. Would they have won even 1 cup or the 3 they did win if they stuck with Tallon and Savard? It's easy to say no, and it's probably the correct answer, but again we will never know. To try to copy another teams' "model" especially from another sport, is kind of hard to do, and there are several ways teams go about being successful. I don't understand how he can say this guy is bad, that guy is bad, but Hahn....he just hasn't been able to do what he wants to do. How does he know that? And if that is the case, and Hahn is/was willing to be someone's puppet, why would he be the guy for the job anyway?

they are throwing out 60-65 million AS game ballots. I wonder how this will change the AL leaderboard.