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Assuming I know the "key" players you are referring to, I think you actually mean key player. Benintendi and Vaughn sucked last year, and continue to suck this year. Its because they aren't good, they aren't slumping. Moncada and Jiminez sucked last year, and continue to suck and get injured this year. The only key player we lost in this was Luis Robert, who continues to get hurt every year.

With how the seasons going, should definitely flip the roles and have the same person start the thread and if they win someone else starts it

Trading Fedde for a prospect or two that can help this team for 6+ years soon is very valuable for our situation.

The options are either to trade him now at his highest value, literally will never be higher than this moment right now, or watch him leave as a free agent after next season.

I would want Miller (55), Crawford (55), and Caba (55) from Philly for Robert. I would want Mayo (55), Beavers (50), and McDermott (50) from Baltimore. I would want Chourio (55) from Cleveland. That kind of haul would go a long way to rebuilding this dumpster fire.

There's no way they set the MLB record. The team record however, really is going to depend on who gets shipped out of here over the next month. The post trade deadline limp to the finish is going to be brutal.

There's still plenty of time for Kopech to get some appearances and up his value. Guys who throw 100+ MPH and strikeout 13 per nine typically get a longer leash.

He wouldn’t pay two, if Grifol is fired they wouldn’t hire someone immediately there would be an interim manager whose already on staff being paid.

Outside of Fedde and Crochet, there’s nothing valuable here. Even Robert, who was worth three kings ransoms in the offseason, is suddenly worthless now and posters are ok with a couple 45 prospects just to get rid of him lol

You know, I was honestly skeptical this team would really lose 120 games. Still don’t think we see that but it seems almost a certainty they lose at least 110 games.

Call your friends, the no shut out streak may be coming to an end

Hopefully they just cover 100% of the contracts to move some of these guys.

This would be such an awful trade lol

Benintendi has got to be the worst player in this franchises history

Ok, so why is he still managing this team? There is no discount for firing him in the offseason.

I’m trying to wrap my head around the benefit of firing him in the offseason as opposed to already. I think they know this is a rebuild and they think Pedro is their guy.

I believe this now makes the Sox 1-17 against central teams not from Cleveland. Oof.

This has gotta be like 4-5 games now where they avoided a shutout on the back of a solo home run.

I’m not defending that either, I’m just saying realistically there’s no way this team makes a 30+ game improvement in one offseason. Especially when they’ve openly said they are looking to trade everyone and anyone.

Anyone saying this team has a chance to be .500 next year and compete for the division deserves every bit of ridicule thrown their way. That’s not being positive, that’s being ridiculous.

This is personal preference and im not going to speculate on it because I have no idea what hes thinking. I would assume, based on him putting his foot down and saying "I want to be a starting pitcher" he believes in himself. Most of the time these buy out extensions are for young guys who often haven't even made any meaningful impact on the big club. This situation to me seems a little different. If the Sox in the offseason extended him 5/75 before he ever took the mound as a starter, ok maybe, but then why would the Sox do that? Just seems a little too late at this point to get a deal done the Sox would be comfortable with.

If the options are sign a 5 year $75 million extension right now, and make $30 million over the next two years but only $45 million over the following three. OR Go to Arbitration right now, and make approx. $20 million over the next two years but then make $200 million (and probably more) over the following 5+ years. Im no agent, but I know what I would be campaigning for..

Again, if you're Crochet and you are establishing yourself as one of the top pitchers in baseball, you aren't going to agree to a $20 million team option to buy out 1 year of FA when he could hit the market and instead get $30+ on a long commitment. The sad reality is, unless the White Sox get out of their old ways there is no extension they will offer that would be fair to what Crochet is becoming worth.

Good luck winning an arbitration case against him if he goes on to pitch 150 innings and is one of the top 3 pitchers in the league. Also, why on earth would he sign a 5 year extension worth $15 million per year when he could be looking at $30 million per year in 2 seasons?

Hes not going to play 162 games. The avgs of 30 doubles and 20 HR's is based off playing 162 games. Obviously, he is capable of reaching those numbers without playing a full slate but when using that as evidence that its his floor, its kind of flawed because even if fully healthy he wouldn't be playing all 162 games. It just doesn't happen anymore.