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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) Not at all actually, thanks for asking. I'll go to the typical three games I make it to when I make my three typical visits to Chicago next summer. I can tell you that number won't be lower if Sale is, in fact, traded. Now how about you, Dick? More games next year or fewer if Sale is traded? Going to pull back on that season ticket package if they trade Sale? According to the thinking of some, that is pretty much the inevitable outcome. I went to about 10 games this year. I usually go about 8-10 times. I haven't gone lately because I coach HS football but if they were in the race I would have found more time to go. I'll probably go to the same amount of games with Sale or without next year unless they are in the race late in the season. If they are somehow, I'll find my way to more games.

It's amazing the amount of people that in here clamoring for a .750 .OPS player. He's fine. Not special by any means though and would be best suited in a utility role.

Theres a reason why I didn't include pitching wins when I listed those 5 candidates

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Not at all. Pitching in important games should be more important than meaningless ones. It is kind of common sense to me. You are penalizing guys for something beyond their control though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) Going back to Andre Dawson in 1987 there's always been that debate that the Cy and MVP have to come from playoff contending teams unless the statistical dominance over the field is completely overwhelming voters have no choice. Sale winning over a Red Sox pitcher or even Verlander would be pretty shocking. The only thing more shocking would be Q. There shouldn't be though. It's about most valuable in general. Not most valuable on a good team. Rick Porcello isn't having as good of a season as Chris Sale or Corey Kluber. Hell, if Jose Quintana were on Boston he'd likely be the overwhelming Cy Young favorite because he'd be hovering around 20 wins as well. If Porcello wins this award, we really should stop giving it out.

Who should win? Player A: 193.2 IP, 3.21 ERA, 3.46 FIP, 4.3 fWAR Player B: 197.2 IP, 3.05 ERA, 3.14 FIP, 5 fWAR Player C: 201.2 IP, 3.03 ERA, 3.43 FIP, 4.8 fWAR Player D: 186.2 IP, 3.04 ERA, 3.23 FIP, 5 fWAR Player E: 184 IP, 3.13 ERA, 3.41 FIP, 4.6 fWAR

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) +1 Jake Peter may come up next year and be a solid utility type as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) Saladino has been a great find this year. His numbers were much better in part time duty, but he has even held up pretty well after Lawrie's injury put him in starting line up. The best thing we take away from this season is that the White Sox farm system has drafted and fully developed two starting position players. They drafted and developed one that is starting for Oakland as well.

Lawrie would have had 20-30 doubles and 20 homers had he stayed healthy. It doesn't really matter at this point though because I'm pretty confident the rebuild is coming. Saladino is fine, my only issue is when people act like he's some kid. He's 27 years old. Very solid utility guy. Not a 1st Division regular though.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 07:37 AM) One important factor everyone is leaving out. Pitching in big games. Unfortunately Q and Sale do not pitch in big games in August and September. Porcello and to some extent Kluber are. Porcello just beat Toronto on the road and goes against Orioles this week at home. So that is a factor that needs to be added to the mix. I don't think it does because you are penalizing them for something that isn't their fault. You might as well use pitching wins. They're both subjective.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 12, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) This was Lovie's downfall as well. Fox knows personnel way more than Lovie and hires a better staff though. Fox can evaluate talent and Lovie is really bad at it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 11, 2016 -> 04:44 PM) Watching basically every rookie WR having an impact and think hmm about Kevin White He is raw though. They also didn't really use him properly. he should catch a few quick passes and bubbles to get him in space initially. Everyone's routes were too deep yesterday. Houston's defense is awesome but Crennel took Loggains to the woodshed in the 2nd half

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 11, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Don't know what was said, but apparently Dan Hampton blasted the Bears coaching staff after the game. Hampton basically blamed the game on them starting Whitehair. I completely disagree with him. It's the only option. He's the future. There is no better time than now. He was saying that Larsen should have started since it was on the road and against Wilfork. Ted Larsen sucks though. Kreutz said something similar. These same people would have said Larsen sucked and they should have played the rookie if it were the other way around. Coaching staff had a rough game but that outcome was determined by Houston having more good players than the Bears do. The Bears won't face another defense like that for awhile. Tough first matchup.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) Thats fine, Im just not in the business of telling other people how to raise their kids. Personally I think every parent should do it but without a horse in the race its not really an issue I care to debate. I understand your perspective. I don't think it's a debate though. There shouldn't be two sides to every topic. This is one where there is no other side to argue.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) He said he wanted to make it mandatory and I pretty much said its not that big of a deal to me so its funny thats what you choose to harp on It should be a concern even if you don't have kids though. It's a national health risk when people are inconsiderate enough to not vaccinate their kids.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) We don't know that 100% yet. I can almost guarantee they won't be spending on a QO free agent. At least I hope not. It would be very short-sighted. They are in no position to give away 1st round draft picks

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) I'd say the guys I previously suggest fill those needs: Moreland and Fowler. For probably a slightly higher cost, Alvarez and Desmond would work as well. I doubt the Sox will be forfeiting a 1st round pick to sign anyone let alone Fowler or Desmond. They are selling.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 09:12 AM) Matt Davidson and Avi Garcia should be red flags in regards to anyone thinking these guys are better at identifying minor league talent. I agree. I'm just saying though. It is unrealistic to acquire top notch position players like Betts who are already in the majors. He has more value than Chris Sale does. They will need to acquire prospects but they need to be correct on which ones to acquire.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 08:47 AM) B/c Seager is a legitimate MVP candidate and infinitely more valuable Exactly. They need to acquire the future MVP candidate that is currently in the minors whoever that may be. They need to identify guys and they need to be right.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Would folks here be happy with that type of return? Is that the type of return that positively reshapes the entire outlook of the franchise? Nope. That doesn't really move the meter.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) brutal He did own up to the mistake today. Something not many politicians would have done. https://www.yahoo.com/news/gary-johnson-res...-135404310.html

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) That's what I'm trying to say. Obviously you don't trade Q for trash just to get rid of him because Sale is out the door, but I think Q should be aggressively shopped if Sale is dealt. Obviously they shouldn't move him if they don't get a good enough offer, but trading him is an idea I think they should consider if they do in fact move Sale. We'll see. It will be an interesting offseason for sure. There are so many different routes the Sox can take, hopefully they pick the right one. I got you. I don't think hanging onto Quintana is the worst thing in the world. He can always be traded later is my point.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) Bears just gave Kyle Long a massive extension. Biggest ever for a guard, 4 years 40 million, 30 of it guaranteed. That's left tackle money but Kyle is worth it. Kelechi Osemele got a 5 year deal for $58.5 million in offseason but only $25.5 million in guarantees. A few things about the Long deal: Long is signed for next year for $8 million. His extension takes effect the following season and is 4 years for $40 million with $30 million guaranteed ($23 million completely guaranteed). Long is already 27 years old and this deal will take him through his age 32 season.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) The same thought process applies to Sale, IMO. If either of Sale or Q are dealt this offseason, the team won't be good for several years. Why let a legit ace in Q rot on a 65 win team for years if Sale is traded? Trade both or trade neither. You still aren't understanding this. Trading both would be ideal. If you get a monster package for Sale and a monster package for Q then yes it makes sense. I think you are more likely to get the huge package for Sale though. They shouldn't trade Sale for a ton and then deal Q for less just because Sale is already gone. That doesn't make any sense.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 09:17 AM) It would be such a White Sox move to trade one, get a decent haul of prospects, but keep the other and do that annoying halfass going for it/selling thing It would be more annoying to trade them both for a "decent haul" of prospects.