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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) While I believe Robertson has value, I don't think it's as much as Kimbrel due to Kimbrel being a better closer. The Padres got some nice talent in return but one thing to remember is that Boston did not give up any of their best talent. I really don't know what to expect in a return for Robertson but I do know that I keep my expectations somewhat low. Margot was their #3 prospect. Guerra is going to be really good in my opinion. People keep saying that those guys are blocked anyway which I do understand. It doesn't mean you should trade them for a guy that will give you 60 innings of value per year though. It's a bad trade.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 07:03 AM) 7-3 This is about where they belong. Pau looks old and bad, Jo is basically toast, Rose can't really get up for any sort of consistency... Niko can't guard Kyyle. The Bulls are destined for a 2nd round exit. They haven't looked great but I believe they are #2 in the East

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 16, 2015 -> 11:29 PM) I think the insane price aces will get make Sale's value even higher, not lower. But, I don't expect any team to actually give up full value for Sale either which is why I'm confident Sale will be the White Sox opening day starter in '16. Nothing wrong with discussions on what he could bring back in a trade though and especially since us fans haven't had much to talk about so far. I think you'll hear about it more next year if the White Sox miss the playoffs again. Next year's free agent pitchers are 1. Stephen Strasburg 2. Brett Anderson...................

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 01:38 AM) I dont think any player with a QO attached is a buy low candidate. This is a great post.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) I'm all for playing Saladino. It doesn't seem to sit well with anyone else. Aybar is terrible...he should be had for basically zilch, unless the Braves just want to hang on until July, pray he has a good first half. The Braves have been willing to suck up salary as they rebuild...they are a little different than most in that regard. Alexei moving on was the first step in de-clowning this team. He needs to stay away. Let him go, please. I bet Ramirez and Aybar would both have better seasons than Saladino if he played every day. Looks like a utility guy to me.

I'm always in favor of trading relief pitchers. Position players and starting pitching is more valuable. I loved the premise of the Addison Reed trade, they just acquired a player that sucks. I don't think they have any interest in trading Robertson. They aren't "rebuilding". They just aren't going nuts in free agency. If I could get close to what San Diego just got, I'd move Robertson in a second though. Then I'd install Montas as closer. Then I'd spin him too as soon as he started getting expensive.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 16, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) why are the Braves so poverty stricken? yes, they sucked, but they have a huge fanbase throughout the south. Atlanta is a big TV market. ??? They're not poverty stricken.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 16, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) An exec of a team that's talked to the Reds says he's convinced Todd Frazier "is legitimately out there" to be traded for - for a big return https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/666325175277867010 He had a bad 2nd half. I honestly wouldn't give up that much. 4.4 fWAR. Had a wRc+ of 114 and wOBA of 342 with 35 homers. He's going to be 30 years old in Fenruary and has 2 years left on his deal.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) How much Loyola pay the refs in this game? I was there. It was pretty bad. Did they show the holding call on tv on the big play that was called back? Seemed to be bulls***. 1 penalty for Loyola all day.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) Depending on what happens with the QO's they could have a pick before #30. Last year the #10 overall pick had a value of $3,231,300 and picks before #30 have a value of around $2M. The Sox could have about $7.1M to spend on their first four picks (First round, comp pick, second and third rounds) in the draft, going on the values from the 2015 draft. I think it's a safe bet that they'll pick in the 26-28 range. There are 17 free agents with QO's attached. Even if only 6 teams lose 1st rounders, that puts the Sox at #27. Ideally it'll be like 8 teams and they'll get the 25th pick.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) I just posted this in the 2016 draft thread: Depending on what happens with the QO's they could have a pick before #30. Last year the #10 overall pick had a value of $3,231,300 and picks before #30 have a value of around $2M. The Sox could have about $7.1M to spend on their first four picks (First round, comp pick, second and third rounds) in the draft, going on the values from the 2015 draft. They'll pick before 30. I'll say on the safe side that 6 teams lose 1st rounders. That gives them the 27th pick.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) If there was a 4-5 guaranteed WAR guy for the next few seasons, the Sox wouldn't care about the draft pick, but those guys also come with huge price tags. It will be interesting to see if anyone else takes the QO, and how the acceptance changes things moving forward. I am shocked Weiters took it, but when you think about it, it shouldn't be so shocking. You have to give up a pick for a guy who hasn't played a full season in a while. The offers couldn't have been that high. If he gets the $15.8 this year, and becomes an average catcher, he probably gets the same offers next year without the QO. I believe that they can offer him the QO again next year can't they?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) The teams who have a top 10 protected pick should be the MOST aggressive on players who were offered QO's. It's the teams that would have to give up a 1st RD pick that should be very very afraid. If anything, Weiters market should have been very small for us. The problem is that the Sox have to give up the pick that they will receive for Samardzija. If it was their 2nd rounder, I'd agree with you. However, the only reason they didn't give up Shark was to obtain that pick. It's going to be in the 25-28 range. I believe that takes them out of the market for any FA with a QO attached.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) They can't trade him. In the story on MLBTR about Rasmus accepting, it says the team can't trade him until June (or maybe July). They can give him another QO next year though.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) Weiters just accepted his QO. So scratch him off nearly everyone's catcher wishlist. He was scratched off the Spx list as soon as he received the QO anyway.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) I think including Tim Anderson in the deal would make sense, since Andrelton would be taking his spot. Would Anderson and Montas for Simmons have worked? Or is that an overpay? No. Hart is targeting high upside, impact starting pitching. Some think that Newcomb is a reliever but others (Hart included) think that he's a TOR #1 LH starter. We don't have a guy like that to trade unless we deal Rodon. The pitching in that organization is nasty.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 07:03 AM) hou now has a player who is raking in 15.8 in salary instead of salivating on whom to pick with that lost comp pick. They can just offer him the comp pick next year though. Luhnow loves him too. I'm sure they're fine with it.

If people don't want to go watch Sale, Q, and Rodon pitch then that's their prerogative. I'll be out there 15+ times to see those guys though.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 04:21 PM) I'll take Hf over Loyola cuz Loyola can't win the big game in the playoffs in recent years. It's live on CSN if anyone is curious. It is. I will be in attendance though if anyone is going.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) Based on the following article, a short term deal might be very appealing to Desmond: http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2015/9/28/9409...mond-free-agent Such an arrangement could be ideal for the Sox, as well. Hahn could simply tell him that the Sox understand that he had an uncharacteristically mediocre season, and that they would give him an opportunity to rebuild his true value. They could even guarantee him two years, with an opt out in the 2ND year. What would Desmond have to lose? Let him name his price, within reason. We would be getting a guy who is still in his prime, without having to make a long term commitment. In fact, I'd like to see another player, or two, in a similar circumstance, signed to deals like that. It sure beats giving guys at the end of their careers, long term, exorbitant contracts. Why would they give up a top 30 pick to sign Ian Desmond? Why would they give it up to sign him to a short-term deal?

Owen Schoenfeld ‏@The_Xsport 44m44 minutes ago @ChiSoxraBBit @gastelumcharlie Saw this like an hour ago, the guy won't respond to me. Always thought Montas made sense in a deal though 0 retweets 2 likes Reply Retweet Like 2 More JOSE C GASTELUM ‏@gastelumcharlie 31m31 minutes ago @The_Xsport @ChiSoxraBBit rumors always gonna be rumors, A García could be at that Deal too. 0 retweets 1 like Reply Retweet Like 1 More Owen Schoenfeld ‏@The_Xsport 26m26 minutes ago @gastelumcharlie @ChiSoxraBBit I guess what I'm asking is if you have actually heard that these discussions are taking place. 0 retweets 1 like Reply Retweet Like 1 More JOSE C GASTELUM ‏@gastelumcharlie 22m22 minutes ago @The_Xsport @ChiSoxraBBit /if you r asking me if this deal its a sure deal the answer is No. If the Q is if I heard something, of course Yes 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More Owen Schoenfeld ‏@The_Xsport 19m19 minutes ago @gastelumcharlie @ChiSoxraBBit Wow. Thanks for sharing then. When Rockies exposed preference for power pitchers, I knew they'd like Montas

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) How would you like to be one of their season ticket sales reps now? Management has to give them something to work with. They have to win though. They loaded up last year and sucked and nobody went.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) My hunch is that Justin Upton would be a safer bet, but who knows? For sure but Upton costs a top 30 draft pick and Cespedes does not.

QUOTE (whitesoxjr27 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 03:21 PM) http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/12/9724032...ding-chris-sale They aren't rebuilding but they aren't going nuts in free agency. It just means they will make some trades and make some smaller signings. They were never going to dip into the market for free agents with draft compensation attached because it doesn't make any sense.

This was some guy on twitter earlier…. JOSE C GASTELUM ‏@gastelumcharlie 17m17 minutes ago Rumores: Carlos González podría estar llegando a @whitesox y unas de las razones es Frankie Montas #100Millas This is translated: Rumours: Carlos González may be coming to @whitesox and one of the reasons is Frankie ride #100Millas He's been tweeting other rumors that I haven't seen. Might be all made up.