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QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 08:43 PM) An awful start for Montas. He needs to be trade bait this offseason. If Montas and Micah gets you a long-term starting position player then sure. If not, I wouldn't mind seeing Jones, Montas, and Robertson at the back end of the bullpen. Still a lot of people who think Montas can start though.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) The most logical place for Micah is DH. With LaRoche here for 2016, he'd have to wait until 2017. I think he'll be traded by then. Sanchez's emergence as an elite defender and above average hitter makes it a very real possibility. It's not though because he doesn't have enough power. You can't have Micah, Saladino, and Sanchez in the lineup every day playing at U.S. Cellular Field. Where is the power coming from?

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:29 AM) Wow. That escalated quickly. Not really. Sanchez is the 2B for the near future in my opinion. Saladino can play SS until Anderson is ready. I don't really see a spot for Micah either.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) This year is actually much better than next year. If they get a top 10 pick, I would love for them to go after JHey and Kazmir. CF Eaton RF Heyward 1B Abreu DH LaRoche LF Cabrera SS Ramirez/Anderson 2B Sanchez C ? 3B Saladino SP Sale SP Quintana SP Kazmir SP Rodon SP Danks/Johnson CL Robertson RP Jones RP Montas RP Petricka RP Putnam RP Duke I would rather have Fister or Latos than Kazmir. No thanks to paying Heyward over $100 million. I want to keep all of the picks next year.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:27 PM) I think Micah will be used as trade bait to acquire a 3B. I agree with this.

I'd like to see them dump Soto and give the at-bats to Rob Brantly. If they could deal Ramirez I'd consider that too but they'll probably explore that in the offseason.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) With this season seemingly over, I've been mostly interested in trying to figure out how the Sox will be moving forward as an organization. While this season has been largely a disappointment to myself and other Sox fans, I can't help but think a few tweaks this offseason can have the White Sox seriously contending for the playoffs next season. In order to support that argument, I decided to take a look at our second half numbers: Adam Eaton .308/.408/.462/.870 in 169 AB Jose Abreu .293/.373/.571/.944 in 166 AB Carlos Sanchez .304/.340/.463/.803 in 144 AB Geovany Soto .325/.438/.700/1.138 in 48 AB Trayce Thompson .522/.560/.957/1.517 in 25 AB Alexei Ramirez .275/.311/.472/.783 in 151 AB Melky Cabrera .291/.331/.483/.814 in 164 AB Tyler Saladino .247/.283/.340/.623 in 162 AB JB Shuck .281/.361/.438/.799 in 37 AB Avisail Garcia .261/.323/.394/.717 in 155 AB Tyler Flowers .205/.263/.273/.536 in 97 AB Adam LaRoche .191/.218/.313/.531 in 119 AB Some observations from the numbers: -Some players (Eaton, Soto, Sanchez, Thompson) currently have unsustainable BABIPs, so those numbers should go down some, but it's interesting to note the surge in offense from both Eaton and Sanchez in the 2nd half. Eaton is drawing twice as many walks as he did in the first half of the season. -Eaton's defensive score has gotten significantly better in the second half (he went from a -6.1 to a -2.9). Still not great for a premium defensive position, but it's good to see the improvement. -Tyler Flowers offensive numbers are down across the board in the 2nd half, most noticeably his SLG% is below .300. To compare, Geo Soto has been worth 1.2 wins more than Flowers over the second half alone. While the sample size may still be small, you can start to gather that we may be seeing some players solidify their positions for next year. I think Sanchez's second half has really cemented his likelihood of being the opening day starter at second next year while Flowers abysmal second half has shown that he is nothing more than a back up at this point. I am fine keeping him as a back up and personal catcher for Sale, but his defense and framing just doesnt make up for the negative value of his bat. Will they choose to put the position off another year and have Geo come back? Wouldn't be the worst idea, but I dont see Geo taking anything other than a starter role next season. Another big question is what the Sox will be doing with Alexei. While his second half numbers are much more in line with his usual type of production, Alexei has made far too many mental mistakes this season and just doesnt seem as engaged as he previously has. With that said, I think moving Saladino over to SS as place holder for Anderson seems to make the most sense for next season. That leaves the Sox with a gaping hole at third and while Saladino has played elite defense over there so far, his bat really doesnt justify keeping him there. As someone on the page has already pointed out, his numbers dont look nearly as bad when compared to the mlb avg of SS in comparison to the mlb avg 3B. Last but not least, I really think Avi needs to go. Trayce may not be the answer, but the White Sox really need to find that out over the next month. Avi still has not proven to be anything other than a below replacement level player since he came into the league. The "potential" may still be there for some folks, but it's really hard to justify keeping him out there when he is so obviously a weak link on this team. His defense and base running are absolutely awful in conjunction with his hitting. We are stuck with LaRoche, so hopefully Hahn is smart enough to find a cheapish bat to platoon with him next season in the DH role. I think Flowers is more valuable to this team than Soto is though. Rodon's numbers alone justify keeping Flowers to let him catch Sale/Rodon. I'd definitely try to upgrade from Soto though and keep Flowers as the backup. The White Sox course of action will definitely be to tweak and try and win in 2016 though.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) I was raised in a Protestant church but attended a Catholic university. I took a couple pretty in depth theology courses as part of my requirements. Between the ages of 19 and 25, I spent a lot of time wavering between full belief in Christianity, agnosticism, and general belief in God without believing any any specific religion. I finally made my way back to Christianity, but with the caveat that I don't fully subscribe to any particular Catholic or Protestant organizations belief system. I see too many inconsistencies and hypocrisies in any given church to claim to be a part of that church. I believe that the accounts of the bible from the time of Moses through the time of Jesus are more or less accurate. I do believe that some of the more conservative and controversial rules for living set out in the bible (no sex outside of marriage, no divorce, no homosexuality) are the way God wants us to live, but I also believe that those things should only be preached to church members in closed settings. I don't believe Christians should be ranting about these things in public or that it is there place to attempt to exert political influence on these issues. I don't believe those are effective ways to reach people, which is what I believe that God ultimately wants us to do. So God doesn't want gay people to get married? Interesting.

I'm an atheist. Don't believe in a higher being. I believe that it's a "fairy tale" as well but I don't begrudge people who believe differently.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Because he signed a big contract then promptly put up one of the worst seasons in the history of baseball. He sort of redeemed himself sure, but it's pretty easy to understand the hatred here. Sure if you're 13 years old. Hatred is reserved for guys like Brett Myers in my mind.

I don't really understand the hatred for Dunn. Never have. He vastly underachieved as a member of the Sox but he never did anything else that was worthy of hate.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Pitchers I'd be interested in that could come pretty cheap: Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Doug Fister Hitters wise, I'd definitely go after Jason Heyward or Justin Upton I would not go after Upton or Heyward. Not in the business of giving up draft picks anymore. I'd like Fister though on a decent deal. Hopefully, they could move Danks' final year and go with Sale, Quintana, Fister, Rodon, and Erik Johnson. Would be a nice rotation.

QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) If Robin is coming back, then I'm sorry, but there will be no point for me to invest in any way, shape or form into next season. It will free up a whole lot of free time for myself without the Sox. Maybe I'll get to those hobbies or never realized dreams I've never started. So in that way, thank you Sox. But a big F U to Jerry. You'll still watch.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 11:42 PM) I already don't watch much sox ball because I f***ing hate Robin as manager. This team is lazy, dumb and sucks. I can't wait til the offseason. f*** Shark too. How do you suck so bad in a contract year? f***ing bum I don't watch that much currently but it has nothing to do with the manager. The White Sox don't have enough good players. That's why they are a below average team.

QUOTE (My_Sox_Summer @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 06:12 PM) I am guessing I will have some extra. Don't need the Pods, we'll work something out. Awesome. I'd be interested. Just let me know.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/monito...s-worked-so-far I wonder how Rodon's season would look if Flowers caught him every time he pitched.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 08:57 PM) At least Santos and Reed have been worth a combined 0.4 career WAR since being traded from the Sox (Santos: 0.0; Reed: 0.4). What does Santos have anything to do with Matt Davidson?

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) Where do you guys think Sale ranks in the Cy Young race? I think as of now, he'll finish 3rd behind Gray and Keuchel. Should be 1st. Has the best FIP in the AL.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2...ender/32030123/ Bob NIghtengale again saying that he expects Kenny Williams to take over in Seattle or Toronto. Very interesting stuff. Nightengale is pretty plugged in with White Sox info.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) I'd be more willing to consider it if people weren't bringing up things like "Quintana" for him. If we're going to take him it's because Boston is dropping him for much less than what he's worth. While you say "he can still rake", he's been a negative value player this year and that can't be ignored. There is a solid chance he'll recover next year, but there is also a solid chance that his bat will slowly decline from here while his glove gets worse from here. If Boston was throwing in lots of money then I could maybe be convinced to give up the kind of deal for him the White Sox gave up for Samardzija, a deal where we sacrifice more of our thin minor league depth for him, or maybe clear out something like Robertson, but I'm not going to give up top flight pieces even if Boston is chipping in a lot of money, given that risk, and Boston IMO isn't likely to dump him for such little value that I'd be interested unless they are 100% convinced he's finished. Yeah we agree on this.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 07:11 PM) Nope. He was an above average defensive shortstop 2 years ago and an acceptable one last year. There's little to suggest he couldn't handle third base. I'm not arguing that Hanley's without warts or even that this is the best solution. More arguing against dumb counterarguments at this point. With a team that has been deficient offensively and in need of upgrades at least somewhere, and with a glut of middle infield options under control, and with the virtual non-existence of catchers who can hit, so far I've seen the suggestion of no human who could/should play 3rd base for the White Sox in 2016 other than Tyler Saladino. Anybody who is smart and often has interesting things to say have any other possible thoughts? Eminor? Anyone? I agree that it's worth looking into. Hanley can rake. He still can. I'd take him if Boston paid most of the bill and put him at DH. The "hell no" and "no way" and "absolutely not" statements can't really be taken seriously at this point when the offense is as bad as it is. I need to see the deal before I really comment one way or another.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 07:06 PM) Someone mentioned the Tigers and being in contract hell but they failed to mention The Tigers also: Won the division or made the playoffs four years in a row Went to the World Series twice Have an owner with more money than God. What does he care about the size and length of those deals? He'll just go out and spend more to replace those guys. From Detroit's standpoint based on the results I have to think they feel it was completely worth it. Mark They also have the 32nd ranked farm system in major league baseball

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) Flowers should play only to catch Sale or when Geo physically can't go. Soto is so much better and it's inexcusable to sit him so much in favor of Flowers. Soto is a better hitter. That's it though.

Cleveland, Seattle, Oakland, and Boston all have priority over the Sox. He's a guy that I'd definitely claim though. Even if he needs to be on the 25, I'd just send down Trayce to make room and bring him back in September. Choice was the 10th overall pick in the draft and has put up decent offensive numbers in the minors. Those are guys that I love getting for free. This org loves former 1st rounders as well.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) How is he definitely a Hahn guy? He is just another internal promotion, like re-arranging chairs on the Titanic. Well I happen to know that he is. Not sure how much I'm allowed to say in a forum like this. raBBit may be able to help out here.