Chicago White Sox

Sounds like we’re not getting an update until tomorrow. I’m not optimistic at the moment. You would think a ruptured Achilles would be pretty easy to diagnose though.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 05:17 PM) Therefore, do I understand that you guys think that Boras would urge him to take a one year deal, in order to try to re-enter the free agent market, with that stacked free agent group, next year? I'm skeptical. Teams don’t want to do a multi-year deal with Moose right now because they’re waiting the elite guys next year. The teams that miss may well consider Moose a nice consolation price. But right now, he simply blocks plan A. I think he’d smart to renter the market next year, just don’t know who would actually give him a one year deal.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 04:59 PM) Five years is stupid there is no reason to offer him that kind of length. I'd do 3/33 or possibly 4/42 backloaded with an opt out after two. Who are we bidding against? You’re going to give up a high second round draft pick so Moustakas can leave after two years? I thought you were guy preaching the rebuild was moving too fast. Any deal for Moose has to be at least four years with no opt-out to warrant the lost draft pick and paying him for a worthless 2018 season.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 11:06 AM) I told you I'd make it up to everyone!!! You motherf***er!

The problem for Moustakas is since teams can't give him a second QO why would any team sign him to a one-year deal unless they were desperate for a 3B? And it doesn't appear any single team is really desperate for a 3B given Todd Frazier's market. I'm really not sure what his play here is. I don't envision him accepting a 4/$48M deal without an opt-out, but why would any team give him that? He's really in a pickle here.

Moncada for sure. I’d argue he has the second highest ceiling amongst major league positional players and I fully expcect him to slowly realize that potential over the next couple years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 08:55 AM) https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/twin..._medium=twitter Thanks for sharing. At least it tells me they don’t want to just hand the DH role to Davidson.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 07:32 AM) Also notable here is that the Sox apparently did have some negotiations with Morrison. Where did you see this?

For f***’s sake Caulfield, those rankings have JD Martinez over Stanton in RF. That tells me everything I need to know about the validity of using these for real world purposes.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 07:39 AM) I’ll go back to the Dyson example, a consistently 2.5-3.5 war player the last 3-4 years. 2 years, $7.5 million, age 33 Todd Frazier, 24th at 3b, $17 million for 2 years, age 32 Avi Garcia, last year was the 4th-7th best RFer depending on which stat/service you chose, expected to regress to 17th, seems about right...doesn't it? I’m not sure what you’re asking me here in regard to Dyson & Frazier.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 07:00 AM) You disagree with the Top 10? Who/why? It’s fantasy baseball rankings. And it’s 5x5 scoring relying entirely on simple offensive metrics that don’t necessary correspond with value. The number one skill Yolmer brings to the table at 3B is his glove and that doesn’t matter at all in these rankings. It’s a completely ridiculous piece of evidence to justify any decision other than who draft at 3B in a 5x5 league. Your love of the Royals & desire for Moose is causing you to act irrational here.

Thumper on Netflix is pretty damn good.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Feb 25, 2018 -> 10:53 AM) I don't think there is any consensus on any picks yet. Obviously these rankings will all change as we get closer to the draft, but my question is if the draft were held today would Gorman be a consensus top 3 guy or could he possibly be available at #4?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 26, 2018 -> 06:28 AM) https://rotochamp.com/baseball/PlayerRankin...tType=RotoChamp Daniel Pecota 3B rankings, Yolmer 40th, Davidson 52nd out of 124 ranked. Moustakas 12th Arenado 1, Bryant 2, Donaldson 3, Machado 6, Rendon 8th Justin Turner, if the Dodgers let him go eventually or pursue one of the Big 4, is 9th. Then Devers and Beltre 10th and 11th. Moustakas followed by Travis Shaw, Seager (who some want to pursue), Castellanos, Longoria, Marwin Gonzalez, Eugenio Suarez, Zack Cozart. Frazier 24th. Moncada 22nd, Tim Anderson 20th, Abreu 6th, Leury 61 and Delmonico 64 for LF, Leury 55th for CF, W Garcia 81, Cordell 84, Engel and May 93/94 out of 96 for CF, Avi Garcia 17th for RF, W.Castillo 10th at catcher/TFlow 17th So Moustakas would be the third highest ranked at his position on the Sox, after Abreu/Castillo...Avi 4th. These are fantasy baseball rankings. Are you really using them to justify a Moose signing?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 25, 2018 -> 12:36 PM) Kevin Powell @kpowell720 now Rick Hahn with an update on Micker Adolfo: He will be used as DH this season. Hope is he won't miss full season of at-bats. Still hasn't ruled out surgery at some point down the road. #WhiteSox Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 53s Micker Adolfo could start season at Winston-Salem as a DH, Hahn says. Surgery still a possibility, tho. Get as many at-bats as possible. This is tremendous f***ing news. Losing an offensive year of development would have sucked for Micker given he’ll only have two option years left after this one. And glad they’re planning on timing a potential TJS survey just right to minimize the time he misses on the field. So with this news, I think we see the following OF groups at Winston-Salem & Kannapolis to start the season: Winston-Salem. Kannapolis LF: Rutherford. Gonzalez CF: Basabe. Robert RF: Call. Dedelow 4th: Booker. Destino DH: Adolfo

Sounds like a lot of work to redefine “assault weapons”, I wouldn’t want to put that much responsibility on our government’s plate when they’re doing such a fantastic job keeping our country safe.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 03:19 PM) Seems like Gorman is the new De Sedas with all the helium right now He’s probably #1 on my list. Just seems like he provides the best mix of ceiling & floor on the positional side. Is there any chance he’s available at #4 or will he be a consensus top 3 of guy?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 11:21 PM) Differences of opinion make life interesting. Some of us are skeptical about the Sox front office. Skeptical about what?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 07:38 PM) Play the kids. .858 OPS in a career year for Morisson. Can you tell me for sure that he can repeat that next year and that neither Delmonico nor Davidson can do that next year for less money with 4-5 more years of control? Because I'd rather see if one of the kids can. Delmonico should be the everyday LF, so Morrison is no impact there. Davidson is garbage and doesn’t deserve another opportunity. He couldn’t even hit International League pitching and put up an 83 wRC+ last year. The guys impacted are really Cordell, Tilson, Palka, etc. And it’s not like anyone has CF locked down at the moment, so Cordell & Tilson can still get plenty of at-bats there if warranted. To me, Morrison appears to be a potential undervalued asset that we could get dirt cheap. To me he’d be like the positional version of Miguel Gonzalez but with actual real upside. For something like $7M you could cut him quickly if he doesn’t replicate last season’s performance or if someone controllable is pushing for at-bats.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 03:42 PM) The bad guys spent some serious money on their rebuild when they signed Lester, Heyward and Zobrist. That is not going to happen with the White Sox. For the love of god can we ban this clown?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 03:17 PM) The same logic applies the other way though; if you only have him for 2 years, that leaves you a 2 year window to win your title, and there are going to be other teams that are a force during those years like the White Sox. That logic will hit even the Yankees. I’m convinced you’re trying to jinx us with this unfiltered confidence.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:54 PM) It is possible, but you do get him for what should be 2 of his most productive years, and as we all know, these really long contracts normally look horrible at the end, so if he leaves you avoid that. For teams that are WS ready, it is a perk you might hand out. But given the small chance he pulls a Heyward I think teams are going to want three years minimum in exchange for guaranteeing him 10 at a near record rate. I just don’t see it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:46 PM) I will say that in a 10 year deal I would not do a 2 year opt out for Machado. That would probably be my 1 red line. I need that 3rd year. I don’t think any team gives him an opt-out after two years. Need to get at least three guaranteed years to take on that much downside risk.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:28 PM) Very relevant. Does he fit the rebuild if he opts out after 2 years? You are literally grasping at straws here. Machado won’t get an opt-out after two years if he signs a 10 year deal like expected. Maybe after three years, hopefully after four. Regardless, Manny Machado getting an opt-out three or four into our competive window is fine if that’s what it takes to land him. Giving Mike Moustakas an opt-out is beyond idiotic. I can’t believe you’re still arguing for this.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 24, 2018 -> 02:12 PM) Machado certainly will have an opt out or 2 in his deal. How is that relevant?