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I can't remember who amongst the minor league watchers (@DirtySox, @bmags, @Autumn Dreamin, @BamaDoc?) said that they're just waiting for the Hostetler draftees to finally flush out of the system and the Shirley guys to reach the higher levels. I'm in that boat (along with Paddy's guys that are now reaching Birmingham and Charlotte). I also want to see guys like Jirschele, Farquhar, and Zaleski get that kind of talent to work with before jettisoning them. But these guys as pointed out on White Sox reddit? I'm fine launching a lot of that - especially #1 and #3 - out of a cannon.

I mean, we're having articles on everything else? So can we have something positive? https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/minnie-minoso-academy-bridgeport-school-renamed/

Ok so we agree on that. But I only see them doing that if they punt 2024. If they go for it — I forsee Adam Frazier at best, but more likely Elvis/Remillard unless Sosa has an OPS of 1.000+ or some s%*#. Same with some old catcher that's not Yaz and Seby. The only reason I see this is because they aren't using the time that they have right now to develop players.

The fun thing is most of the "tankies" likely know this and it's why we (at least I, personally) wanted to bottom it out sans Robert and just let the young guys get their development in now and do the FA spending this offseason. But Pedro is doing his weird "we must compete with the old guys" dance, so here we are. Edit: In the absolute miserable situation that the Sox are a league-worst team again next year, it's only for the first round and I think Shirley has hit on Crochet (ruined to this point by Hahn, player dev and coaching), Montgomery and Schultz, while reserving judgement on a freshly drafted Gonzalez. Those were all outside the top 10.

Unfortunately, no.

Getting away from the Sox does wonders for your development as a hitter. Probably complexion and self-esteem too.

He's on the Nationals. But everyone that wants to try and let the next batch of prospects succeed pretty vocally wants coaches and staff that can actually develop them, not Pedro, who seems philosophically aligned with you.

For real. f*** this noise of wasting prime years of Luis Robert, but... Option A: Try and see if young bats like Sosa, Colas, Ramos, Montgomery, Vaughn (yes, him included), Lee, Quero, Rodriguez, f*** it throw Elko in there, can develop at AAA/MLB next year. Let Santos sink or swim as a closer, try to salvage what you can from Crochet, Touki and Schlotens get more shots to become back end/depth guys, and Patino/Honeywell/Ramsey/Cronin/Lambert/Leasure get auditions. Nastrini, Eder, Burke and Bush get to work at AA and AAA and maybe get a cup of coffee. Sign free agents to fill in the gaps in 2025. Option B: Sign B, C and D tier free agents similar to Clevinger and Benintendi. Go for it.

Cause trading Colson Montgomery for someone like Zach Eflin sounds like a quick way to repeat another decade of Tatis posts. Or Quero for Jordan Romano. Would you have rathered the Sox have kept Tatis, Semien, Bassit, Escobar, Narvaez, Thompson, Montas, and Reed (forgot him) or slog through the end of the retool era? Cause those guys could have surrounded the Sale, Q, Eaton, Abreu core (minus Tatis, he'd come later, with TA).

2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 were all horrendous. The bolded in particular were particularly unwatchable laughingstocks. At least 2017, 2018 and 2019 had young guys to follow. Then 2020 and 2021 were fun as s%*# until Ricky and LaRussa got embarrassed in the playoffs. And 2005 wasn't rebuilding on the fly. They started in 2004 with the Freddy and Contreras trades, building off of a strong 2000 farm system.

Ok, so the first option resulted in Two first round exits Trading away Madrigal, Dunning, Heuer, Narvaez The second option resulted in Missing the playoffs as the World Series favorite Trading away Tatis, Bassitt, Semien, Escobar, Montas, and Thompson One first round exit What the s%*#?

At least we're getting to see it with Schlotens, Colas, Remillard, Ramsey, and others (who aren't performing hot). And while not rookies, Touki and Honeywell are getting auditions for their spots. But Lee (give me defense! and power!) and Sosa ... there's no reason to keep Andrus or Yaz.

Statistically and emotionally, we are not a sober fanbase. But to answer the question: They're fucked They should have sold off Cease, TA, and (I guess?) Bummer But here we go! Catcher Free Agents you could try and sign as a bridge to Quero: Gary Sánchez, Yan Gomes, Victor Caratini, Martin Maldonado Internal: The second Seby is healthy, Grandal needs to be DFA'd so Korey Lee can get some big league burn to see if he can be a big league backup. But Pedro's whole "won't sacrifice wins" schtick is fucking stupid. Second Base Literally just play Sosa the end of this season. Stop playing Andrus. This is catastrophically stupid. See what you've got in a young player that always performs after he adjusts to each level. Otherwise I guess there's Adam Frazier. Right Field This is Colas. Young players don't develop if you jettison them. Starting Pitchers With his current Angels performance, Giolito might be the best bet. Then take a shot at Montgomery, Lorenzen, Wacha, Nola, etc. - the B-tier of pitchers. Closer Pretty clear this is Santos. Last night was his worst night - you can let a rookie closer build stamina and confidence heading into year two. Bullpen arms Please don't spend heavy. Please don't spend heavy. I'm willing to give Jordan Leasure and his 14.4K/9 more than 5 innings at a new level to prove he can get in there. Otherwise, see what you can put together. Shortstop This is clearly TA and they're hoping for a bounceback to bridge to Montgomery. They should have punted 2024 and waited till 2025 to see if Montgomery, Ramos, Sosa, Rodriguez and the new acquisitions could be ready, but nooooooo, "compete in 2024."

Since this has become the Jake Burger Update thread, it can go here.

C'mon Groot.

Lmao you beat me to it ?

But can Little Nicky make plays like that?

...of course.

I mean, the flip side is watch the Sox or cast from my browser

Mieses BOMB!

Son of a b**** how did I not realize that the MiLB games were in the MLB TV app on my PlayStation. Absolute game changer.

Patino for Charlotte and WHITE SOX #6 Nick Nastrini for Birmingham.

Yeah, I'd like to reiterate that I don't have a real problem with Keynan as a league minimum signing that walked into a dumpster fire. Lance Lynn as a veteran brought on as a clubhouse leader - who they traded a legitimate prospect for - can go f*** himself. Doesn't absolve the Sox, but Lynn's whole "we were arguing about steak" thing now reeks of bullshit. Great example for younger players!

I mean, we're talking about an industry that paid minor leaguers well below minimum wage so would it be that surprising?

We relish in our own misery.