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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) Hate him why? Just curious. Seems like an odd player to hate ya know QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) Yeah very strange. I've always been a big fan of his. 100% because he went to Olivet Nazarene University. I'm from the area and the students from Olivet carry a hilarious arrogance about them. So it's a sports hate, not a genuine "I despise this guy" hate.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 06:40 PM) Cubs land Zobrist according to Ken Rosenthal I already hate Zobrist, so awesome!

Just like Gordon, he has returned from whence he came. AJ is probably confused as s***.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) That's not s*** in the grand scheme of the game though. Some teams have $100 million mistakes. For real, a lot of teams that the fanbase are envious of (Cubs, Dodgers, etc.) have all had massive mistakes (E-Jax, a bunch of Dodgers) and the Sox are much smaller in comparison. Melky, LaRoche and Duke are not team breakers by any means while Sale, Quintana, Abreu and Eaton are all phenomenal contracts.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 06:15 AM) I think people need to look at this another way. Say the White Sox needed a first baseman where economically challenged and trying to win. If LaRoche was coming from another team, how much would the team have to eat to make you not freak out at RH and KW. Remember in 2014, when the White Sox were in a rebuild mode how many freaked out at the team paying Konerko a couple of million to take a victory lap. What if they were actually trying to win? I thing the verdict here is LaRoche is going nowhere unless the Sox eat almost all of his contract. I'd say if there were $5-7M on the table left over, I would do it after talking myself into thinking that he wasn't as terrible when he played the field and that he's still a good defensive first baseman. Also I think the anger with Konerko was the fact that we already had Dunn and Abreu.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 06:41 PM) Yes I did. He sarcastically pointed out why Pederson, Seager, Urias and Puig would be such a throwing darts at the board in the dark move. Wasn't really sarcastic, unless you were sarcastic about Sale not being a sure thing. Sale is more likely to still be dealing in 2020 then all four of those players being All-Stars. I actually really like all of those Dodgers players, but I also really liked Gordon Beckham who MLB picked as their future second baseman of the decade and Steve Stone and Derek Jeter were predicting at least one MVP for. If the Dodgers offered all four of those players for Sale, I'd do the trade and sleep easy at night. If it were only two of Pederson/Seager/Urias, Puig and I have to take back Crawford, no dice. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) His epxpalanations were certainly more plausible than Chris Sale not being a sure thing just because you want the Sox to trade him. QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) If dodgers offered that package I'd add 2-3 lottery ticket prospects and probably do it. Which package are we talking about? And who's adding lottery tickets, Sox or Dodgers?

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) It's far from the only reason. In fact, it's towards the bottom of reasons. I've stated my reasons all over this thread. The reason why I bring it up is because everyone believes Sale is a for sure thing through 2020. Every player is far from a sure thing. Especially players that have barely sniffed the bigs (Seager), finished their rookie year with a .210 average (Pederson), not been called up yet (Urias) or are in legal trouble after a tumultuous year that involves his own team disliking him (Puig).

Dougie looking good. Loving the energy of this year's bench mob of Kirk - ET - Doug - Taj - Jo

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) SoCal is rainy? You sure about that? I was wondering the same thing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 06:29 PM) I know it's not the end-all be-all, but it's an easy stat to check so I checked it. In the year before he was traded, Santana was worth 4.0 fWAR. Last year Sale was worth 6.2. In the 2 years before he was traded, Santana was worth 10.7 fWAR. In the last 2, Sale's been worth 11.4. Santana may already have been the best pitcher of his time, but he also was noticeably trending down. More HR, fewer GB, fewer innings, ERA jumped by more than 1/2 a run. Based solely on performance in the year or two before the trade...it's very close to a wash. Santana > Sale though.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) You're asking a baseball team to give up the 3 of the top ten prospects in all of baseball who are as young and cost controlled for not the #1 pitcher in baseball. No one has been able to cite an example of when a team came even close to doing that when asked. They want to say he's under a bargain deal. So is Felix Hernandez, so is Jose Fernandez. I doubt Florida even asks for that type of haul. That's because right now, amidst exploding pitching contracts, Sale is being paid the same amount over four years almost equal to Price and Greinke for one year, but is in that class of pitcher. Thr reason an example can't be cited is because any deal for Sale is pretty much going to be unprecedented.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) Red Sox flat out told Minny they weren't going to give up both Ellsbury and Lester in the same deal. The Yanks offered Melky, Phil Hughes and a lower level prospect. And at the time, Johan was seen as the sure-fire, no doubt about it, best pitcher in baseball. The Twins wanted two of the three (which might I add, is less than what you guys are demanding from the Dodgers) Ellsbury, Lester Bucholz. Boston countered with Lowrie (not a top 10 prospect in their system at the time), Ellz OR Lester, and Coco Crisp. On top they added a lower level pitcher, possibly Justin Masterson who wasn't a top 10 prospect in their system at the time either. So Red Sox: Ellsbury or Lester Lowrie (not a top 10 prospect in their system at the time) Crisp (MLB player) possibly Justin Masterson (not a top 10 prospect) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...007/262814.html Yankees: Phil Hughes (#1 Yankees Prospect) Melky Cabrera(MLB Player) third prospect who they refused to to be one of their top ones (Kennedy, Horne or Austin Jackson) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...007/262804.html http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3138088 So despite what you may or may not feel. There is no precedent for asking for the crazy packages you guys are asking for. Sale's contract is the big difference. Santana had a year left. Sale has four cost controlled years, two being options.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:12 PM) So waste prime years huh? Because the longer you wait, the asking price goes down. If we can't get full value for his prime years because his value is too high...yes?

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) The Greinke and Price deals basically made Chris Sale untradeable. There probably isn't a team in baseball that would pay what would be necessary to acquire him. ZIPS projected that if Sale were a free agent right now, he'd get $299 million over 10 years. He's locked up through 2019 at no $$. That Dodgers package would start Urias, Seager and keep going. Sale is as close to untouchable as it gets. Holy hell where is that ZIPS projection?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:06 AM) I don't agree with moving Sale because no team is willing to give up the value he is worth. You could hold on to Sale and trade him with 2 years left on his deal and STILL get an enormous package for him, while giving your team 2 more years of trying to contend. The reason I am an advocate of moving Quintana is because I feel someone may actually pay for what Q is worth, and this team will STILL have it's ace. You trade your perennial Cy Young contending ace, and you are punting on the near future. You move Quintana, and you can still have a solid rotation if you replace him with a FA pitcher and Rodon continues to make strides, while using the return package for Quintana to upgrade offensive/defensive needs and still contending for the next couple years. THEN, if the team is still treading water, trade Sale with 2 years remaining and you'll still get a kings ransom in return. I agree with this. If I have to move one of them, it's Q. But if you trade Sale, then you might as well have an open house on anyone not named Rodon.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 12:22 AM) I don't know why they wouldn't. To get 3 potential studs for one? That's an easy yes to me. Because Greinke and Price just upped Sale's value. You have a proven ace that's on the most team friendly deal in baseball. So suddenly the Sox are going to take let's say.... Crawford as dead weight and more expensive than Sale. Puig on a down year with attitude issues. Pederson who faltered down the stretch. And Urias, who hasn't seen the bigs. Kyle Drabek once was the centerpiece for Roy Halladay. Mike Olt was a Top 20 prospect in baseball as the centerpiece for Matt Garza. Jacob Turner was an important piece for Anibal Sanchez, who led the league in ERA the following year. Gordon Beckham was a legitimately viable centerpiece for Adrian Gonzalez when A-Gon went on to hit .338 for Boston. That's just people who have been tied to the Sox. Look at Profar for a former #1 overall prospect, can't miss stud who is looking like a miss. Or Jesus Montero. "Can't miss prospects" miss all the time. So if the Sox are dealing the best contract in baseball, they get all the cards.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 12:01 AM) Sox aren't getting Seager, Pederson, Urias and DeLeon for Sale. You have to be smoking serious rocks if you think that. Your best bet is to get two of those guys and maybe Puig while also taking on Carl Crawford's contract. Yeah, Sox aren't doing that.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:45 PM) Yeah, so this looks awesome. I love red band trailers.

Well then

Wasn't this kid supposed to headline a blockbuster deal for Sale in some Red Sox fan proposal?

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 11:24 PM) I re-watched that movie during my Bond marathon and it gets worse every time. I hadn't seen it or Skyfall, but I saw Spectre with some friends. My dad said I needed to see Solace and Skyfall to get it. Solace...was so bad. Just. So bad.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 08:19 PM) You rank Russell and Baez ahead of Schwarber? Interesting. Schwarber is a DH whose hitting numbers dropped steadily and drastically throughout the year. I think he'll wind up another Viciedo.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) I think Loki is solid. Maybe I'm biased to Marvel though. I'm super biased towards Marvel, and the problem with the movie villains aside from Loki is they don't get fleshing out / they turn out to be a British actor.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 08:48 PM) Kilgrave rocks! Wasn't counting the TV villains. The TV villains, especially Kilgrave, Kingpin and Ward, have been fantastic.