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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Don't undervalue Quintana. His value is closer to Sale's than you'd think. They don't have enough, unless they'd be willing to include MLB players. This. Lots of people undervaluing Quintana around these parts.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) Nice move to replace Chris Getz...that is their 2B right? For realz???

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:58 PM) I think Norris & either Pompey or Pentecost and a smaller prospect for Quintana would be a very good return. Still not keen on the idea of moving a top 20 pitcher, though. Gahhhh. No.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) How about this? Sox lose: Avi Quintana Micah Padres lose: Justin Upton Tyson Ross Blue Jays lose: Devon Travis Daniel Norris Aaron Sanchez Max Pentecost ______________ Sox gain: Pentecost (C of the future) Sanchez (fills in Quintana's slot and joins our plethora of young pitching talent) Upton (takes over in right) Padres gain: Norris (could slot in to Ross' slot and bring back some of the youth Preller pissed away) Travis (replacing pitiful Jed Gyorko) Avi (fresh start candidate and immediate fill-in for Upton) Jays gain: Quintana and Ross (massively improving their rotation) Micah (adequately replacing Travis in an already powerful offense) Quintana could be switched out for Shark, especially considering Upton is also a rental. And I suppose Norris and Sanchez could be interchangeable, though I prefer Sanchez. Thoughts? Sox giving up an awful lot. Quintana cannot and will not be traded for a rental.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:35 PM) Because acquiring expensive veterans like CarGo, Ethier, Reyes or Tulo that further hamstring the organization from a financial standpoint works as a better model? Sometimes you have to roll the dice with young talent. The bust rate is high, look at Beckham, Viciedo and now it's likely Avi is heading in that direction as well. With Puig, you have a track record of results in 2013 and 2014, and he's only 24 years old. Frankly, I'm not sure that Robin Ventura is the right guy to control him, but I do have some confidence with Abreu and Ramirez around (and even moreso if we brought in Guerrero as well). I haven't piped for Ethier, Reyes or Tulo. But in CarGos case, he won't require you to give up one of the best trading assets in the game to acquire (or the other aforementioned players for that matter).

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) Im so frightened to move Q...if you bungle the Shark deal, fine...not the end of the world...if you bungle a Q deal...you've just traded away one of your most valuable assets in the midst of a race you have a reasonable chance of winning. Yes. We need bats for days to trade Quintana. Jays higher end prospects are SP (and one was just traded). They don't match up.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) If you call a 5% chance of making a one game playoff "in this thing". It's more like 9% now, and I have very little confidence that Minnesota will finish above .500. TB and Detroit (without Miggy) both suck. That leaves us 1.5 GB of the Jays (who have no pitching) and the Orioles who are equally as flawed as the Sox. They have as good of a shot as anyone outside of MN, who is probably the worst team of the bunch. However, If the Sox lose 3 in a row here (or maybe even 2/3), I would agree with you, they should trade Shark if the offer is right (which in my mind is a near ML ready impact bat at a premium position). But if those offers were on the table, he would have been traded weeks ago.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) Why not? Puig is cancer, has s***ty numbers this year, and I think there is more value in Quintana's contract. Quintana is signed for two additional years (afforadable team options) when Puig will already be gone via FA. And Puig is more expensive than Quintana for the next 3.5 years. I don't hate the idea, but I want more than Puig back for Q, not a 1-1, and I think a package of prospects would be better than trading for a guy that widely known as a complete clown.

They don't have anywhere near the horses to get Quintana (sans trading Donaldson).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:15 PM) In the off season you can trade for needs. But right now, you take the best offer you get no matter what position. Unless it was a Q for Puig type deal that actually makes sense. I don't think a Q for Puig type of deal makes sense (assuming there aren't other pieces).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) If Toronto offers Norris in a package, you cannot say no in my opinion. Probably not, but not exactly what the Sox need...another LHP. Not saying I hate the offer (altho Shark gives us a much better chance of actually getting into the playoffs than Norris or EJ), I just think the Sox need bats if they're gonna trade Shark.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) LoL Because the Sox swept the last place Indians & took the first game in a series against the last place Red Sox? Like it or not, the Sox are in this thing.

Shark is making this start. Is EJ still shown as probable tonight for Charlotte?

What a strange trade.

4.5 GB of the Twins and closing in quick.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:48 PM) Could it be a tactic to try to get more? More likely a case of now being only 4.5 GB of the Twins with a middling TB and Detroit ahead of them and only 1.5 GB of Toronto and Baltimore. Like it or not, this team has played itself into contention the past 5 days.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) Yuck. I don't think it's that bad if the Sox want to buy and sell. Gets us out from under Danks contract next year, but picks up Sheilds to slide into the #3 slot for a few years (albeit at a very high price). Gets us a legit bat in RF for the rest of the year and opens it for us to over pay for Jason Heyward or Upton if we like him. Shields gives is the ability to flip Shark for Petecost and Hoffman which would be a great return. I'm of the opinion that Micah will never be a passable defender at 2B and has no other position and will probably either be traded or kept too long and will have no value. I don't hate Avi at all, but do recognize his short comings in the OF. I don't think its all bad, but I'm not paying all these contracts, and I generally like to see the Sox go for it each and every year.

Here is an off the wall and totally unrealistic idea: Avi, Micah and Danks to SD (maybe throw in another low-level lottery ticket) Shields and Justin Upton to the Sox Sox then flip Shark to Toronto for Pentecost and Hoffman

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) Who is a good comp to Anderson? Keith Law used Shawon Dunston as his comp.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) As much as I love Q, the time maybe now or offseason to move him if we can add a true impact bat. Sure, but Kyle Schwarber isn't that guy (by himself). You're falling into the trap, bro.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) Question; Is Quintana worth Schwarber? Gahhh? For real. I'd hate that.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) There's something weird going on with Semien's defense this year, but I have no reason to believe he'd bad at 3B or 2B. He's definitely in one hell of a slump right now, though. We'll see where he is at the end of the year. ?? He was pretty bad at 3B when he played there last year. 10 errors in less than 100 chances. SSS, but the guy just isn't a good infielder.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) My god man, your Everything Sucks routine is exhausting. Nothing about that package has changed since the beginning of the year. Most of the 2.4 comes from that stiff Phegley, and don't bother arguing he isn't a stiff as a result of 100 nice AB's because I refuse to take that notion seriously. Semien is still probably a nice infielder and remains a legitimately tough guy to lose. Bassitt is still just a Guy with a capital G. Ravelo I like, but he's about an average MLBer at best. Add it all up and it's hardly something to throw around the phrase "after all we gave up" to describe. Yep. Glad someone else agrees.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) No we're not. We were ALL convinced last week this team wasn't going anywhere, Shark (or perhaps Quintana) needed to go, and this organization desparately needed a significant return to help improve this team's future. Now four days have past and we shouldn't be sellers because of the Indians series?! It's so ridiculous and shortsighted that I fear that the FO thinks similarily. They're too cowardly and afraid to admit their vision for a playoff team failed miseralbe. Hahn should be not be waiting until the conclusion of the Boston series, even if the team happens to sweep them. This is NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. Have people not been aware of this historically terrible offense? Or it's record against contending teams? I hope they do sweep Boston. It'll test how much courage our front office has to do what's right. After they would inevitable cave and keep Shark, we could then all sit back and watch the White Sox finish around 82 wins for the season. After Shark leaves, we'll have the same offense, same front office, but one supplemental round pick! The kind of crazy thing is, that if the Sox DO sweep Boston, they'll probably be somewhere between 1-2 games away from being a playoff team if the season ended on Thursday. A big if, no doubt, but it is also sort of difficult to trade one of the best 25 pitchers in baseball at this juncture unless the price is right (that price being a very good offensive return). Bottom line, Shark is very unlikely to bring back anything that is going to help this offense now, or even a couple years. If they find that, sure, move him - but I think he would have been traded by now if that were the case. Also, despite this historically terrible offense you mention, the Sox find themselves in the position described above. What does that tell you? They have a fu**in studly pitching staff. The offense has been coming around, and the Sox have really been throwing some leather in the infield for sometime..I'd honestly be pretty disappointed if the Sox moved Shark unless they got a ton back (unless they drop 2 or three in a row here, then I get it). You play this game to win. The Sox still have a small but surely a chance to win. I may be in the minority here, but one of the reasons why I love this franchise so much - they refuse to just allow themselves to be s***ty. No team ahead of them in the race for the 2nd WC really scares me. Minnesota will fade, I guarantee it. Toronto and Baltimore will be the main competition and those are very flawed teams (as are the Sox). I do think it all comes down to the next few days. Win a few more in a row, and I'd eat my hat if Shark is traded unless it brings back a bat that'll help RIGHT NOW.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:47 AM) This has crossed my mind lately, especially with the sweep of the Indians. I think we can all agree that sweeping the Indians was nice, but they are a bad team, and the Sox should have easily won that series. A four game sweep against any team, however, is impressive. What concerns me is that even after that sweep, the Sox are still 4 games below .500. They need to beat up on Boston this week. With only four days left before the deadline, the Sox are truly right on the fence between buying and selling. They could play very well this week only to tank next week...or vice versa. Based on the history of this team this season though, I don't expect them to be true buyers. I could definitely see them trading Samardjiza and picking up a bat in the same trade or a separate one. Or I suppose Danks could be moved, swapped with another "bad" contract. Regardless, I think Friday will be an interesting day. I just hope the Sox don't stand pat...that could be the worst outcome. Before that Sox series, many pundits still gave Cleveland a decent shot at getting back into things...so let's not act like they're suddenly the worst team is baseball.