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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) That is some extreme irony considering who we are talking about in this thread. I'm talking EXTREMELY one sided. Danks would need to have won a Cy Young or at least north of 15 wins every season. And Gavin would need to have more than just one good season out of the five he's been with the Sox. Both are .500 pitchers with the Sox in their careers.... I wouldn't say that's a one sided trade.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) For once, I would love to see the Sox bend somebody over a barrel in a trade. It seems that we're seeing teams more and more make a trade that gets people saying, "I can't believe they gave up that much." I want us to have at least one of those. That s*** just doesn't happen to the White Sox period. Can't win a one-sided trade or develop a superstar from the minors like seemingly EVERY team in the bigs has done since Frank in 1990... 20 years and counting...

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 7, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) The Joker is The Joker. Comics, Cartoons, TV Shows, Movies. Cesar Romero, Mark Hamill, Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Larry Storch, Frank Welker, Kevin Michael Richardson, Jeff Bennett, Steven Blum, Richard Epcar, John DiMaggio, Corey Burton, Brent Spiner. All The Joker. Alright, just be sure not to single out Anthony Hopkins when Hannibal Lecter comes up since that was a book too. And must include the memorable portrayal by Gaspard Ulliel... It's too much of a hassle to re-do my list now anyways... So when you see votes for the Joker I'm thinking of the best portrayal of it by Heath Ledger haha

So here's my issue, I have Heath Ledger's particular performance as the Joker in The Dark Knight ranked pretty high on my list, but it seems like it just has to be The Joker in general, and not being a comic book fan or Batman comic book fan in general I wouldn't rank the Joker character that high on my list. The ONLY REASON it's on my list is specifically because Heath Ledger knocked it out of the park, I would not include just the generalized Joker from 50+ years of the comics, so now I have to remove him from my list?

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 6, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) If it's the same character, it's the same guy. Well that throws my list off... haha

Here's another biggie: There is LOTS of crossover between Books/Comic Books that have been adapted into Movies. Are you differentiating, say, Lex Luthor of the Superman Comics and Lex Luthor as played by Gene Hackman in the movies etc.? Do you want us to specify which version of villains that have many incarnations? Also, to the example of Darth Vader are we saying Darth Vader from the entire trilogy or specific movies, ala Empire, Jedi? I may have just made this list 100 times more complicated.

Also, just looking at the lists linked, there are some non-human villains in there like the shark from Jaws, the Alien from Alien etc. Are we counting monster like villains as well?

Now THIS is a list I can do... Prediction: Darth Vader #1 (wouldn't be the top guy for me, but on the list for sure)

More supposed Marlins uniforms leak.... So hideous haha http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_leagu...urn=mlb-wp26449

A hometown discount is the only way Buehrle stays, cause someone is gonna offer him way more cash than the Sox are willing to shell out (and rightfully so) Going to the NL should give his career a nice boost...

I hope Super Joe sticks around. He was really the only bright spot of the entire coaching staff for me. It would figure St. Louis might snag him.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) Yeah, this is kind of a big deal. The Cubs just went from an archaic, joke of a front office to a big boy, modern organization run by people who know what the f*** they're doing. It's the biggest story in the city right now. The past month or so has been a f***ing nightmare given the moves on both sides of town and it's probably only going to get worse in the years to come. So f***ing true. Getting rid of Ozzie was a chance for a complete facelift for the entire culture of the organization and what do we do? The same old same old. Can't wait to try to squeeze a competitive diamond of of a piece of s*** team in 2012. It just won't work.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) A manager with experience? How foolish. I honestly wonder if Theo was taking a little dig at the White Sox at the same time of diffusing any Sandberg rumors.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) Mark deserved it and AJ deserved not to win. But the fact Alexei and Gordo didnt even get consideration is a farce. AJ shouldn't have even been considered based solely on the fact that a not blocked third strike scored (I Think) twice this season

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 1, 2011 -> 05:56 AM) That is my biggest worry. I don't think there is any doubt that Frank is a first ballot guy IMO. But looking at the people on the ballot with him, that scares me. Taking the whole "first ballot" mentality, and adding to it the whole "exclusivity" argument, (I could see some people only voting for 2-3 guys), plus he wasn't a favorite guy amongst the media, it could be close. To go ahead and contradict myself, while 2 teammates from one of the best franchises the early 90's getting in is a great story, Two of the best pitchers of the 90's going in with one of the best hitters of the 90's ain't a bad story either. I don't have the stats in front of me, but is there kind of an unwritten BWAA rule about inducting more than 2 guys at once. I know they've inducted 3 before and probably recently but it seems like 2 is almost always the case, and as dumb as the BWAA is, Maddux is FOR SURE a lock. Everyone else is up for grabs...

By the way, it's sucks, but Frank has about a 1% chance of being on the 1st ballot. There are STILL old codger f***s who think no one is first ballot ever. Couple that with the DH thing and it's second ballot for sure. Blows, but it's the truth. Even with the steroid thing bumping him up. Roberto Alomar got 73.7% on his first ballot, second time through 90%. How did his career somehow get 16.3% better in one year? They'll let Maddux and Glavine in. They'll go in as teammates. It'll be a nice story, but it'll be 2015 for the Hurt.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:22 PM) .BTW, the "favorite" candidate for the Manager's position, Dave Martinez, has ZERO years experience managing at any level. Four Years as a Bench coach vs. Robin having no years at anything besides player and former White Sox star. I'll take the bench coach EVERY SINGLE TIME. Also, Bench Coach to Manager has got to be the most taken route in all of baseball. Not Advisor for like 5 minutes/former player to Manager

I'm not even gonna try and guess number and money figures... And some of these guesses are out there haha. Why not?

Say what you want about Joe Buck, but that was a nice little nod to his Pops right there on the homer call

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2011 -> 06:55 AM) I'm sorry but this still makes no sense at all. IF he was talked into it, then he was talked into it. Its not like they drugged him and made him sign a contract. He also said he wanted to do this eventually, just seemed shocked at the timing. He didn't not want the job, he just was taken aback it happened so soon, and needed to discuss it with people - as anyone would. If you want to say you preferred someone with more experience, I totally get that. But to say he didn't want the job is manifestly false, since he took it. You kinda just made my point for me. I want a manager who is champing at the bit to take the job, Robin seemed tentative at best, which is fine, but then just don't take the job. And certainly don't tell people in interviews and press conferences that you had to be talked into it. Doesn't inspire much confidence. And yes I would have preferred someone with more experience and more interest in taking over the manager position. There were better options. I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Dave Martinez and Sandy Alomar will have better managerial careers than Robin if only for the fact that I think they will manage way longer than Robin. I have my doubts Robin even lasts the 3 years he's been given, and if by some miracle he makes it all three years I wouldn't be shocked if he resigned instead of signing an extension.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 26, 2011 -> 04:01 PM) Didn't he say himself that he had to be talked into it, then had to go talk his family into it? Bingo. If Robin Ventura had interest in managing at any point in his life, he would have spent the last few years searching for a minor league gig in any capacity. With the Sox or Mets, Hell even Oklahoma St.

I was a KW backer over Ozzie for the 2011 offseason and was pumped when Ozzie quit....until this SHAM of a managerial search with KW pulling a guy who had no interest in managing a team so soon to lead the team when better options were (and still are) out there. I want him to follow Ozzie out the door. I made it a point to try and not be so negative and pessimistic before the 2011 season cause I felt like I wasn't enjoying my favorite team/sport, but man did the 2011 season just suck that out of me, and the managerial choice for 2012 just made it soooooo much worse. Nothing short of Kenny signing Pujols (read NOTHING AT ALL) will make me excited for the 2012 season and I HATE it.

Please Kenny don't trade him and have him turn into a stud on Oakland or Arizona

I'd prefer Kenny sell off parts of this wreckage and get some prospects and try and catch lighting in a bottle with them instead of the "Well they can't ALL be terrible again, right?" strategy and try and win that way. At least with the prospects, if they fail you're in a better position for 2013 instead of yet another year behind everyone else and trying to play catch up....

No money, I'm not attempting to make any bets, just stating my opinion that next season could be worse. I'm going on the assumption that the Sox will be losing plenty of players (CQ, Thornton, Danks maybe Floyd and Buehrle) and our replacements not performing up to task. Couple that with being stuck with underachieving high paid wastes like Rios Peavy and Dunn (though I do think he's most primed for a comeback to his somewhat career numbers) and top that all off with a manager who has zero experience and more and more seems like he's being blackmailed into managing and I don't have high hopes for 2012.