Tony

I don't think many in Chicago do have bad feelings for Justin. He's a good dude, got a pretty raw deal in Chicago but also just didn't develop the way they needed him to. Best case is Caleb is great, and so is Justin. Everyone wins. Plus, would love to get that 4th this year from Pitt.

The exact quote I bolded in my previous reply said “ Seems like a lot of people in the fandom are just choosing to be miserable.” This is what the “wait and see” crowd can’t seem to grasp from the “other side.” If you want to wait and see with Getz, that’s your choice and no one is asking you to stop that. But when you have a post detailing who Getz has brought in, asked when everyone “got so stupid” and paints fans that are upset with the state of the team as the ones who are in the wrong, I don’t know what the “wait and see” crowd expects to get back as a response? Everyone has a different capacity for what they are willing to take, or in this case, wait for. I’ve reached a point where my confidence level in anything Jerry Reinsdorf owned is at 0.0%. Others can have more faith, and that’s ok too. What I’ll always take issue with, and response accordingly to, is when the “wait and see” crowd is going to take shots at people whose patience has run out. Goes both ways

I'm...happy for you? You can feel anyway you want. So can I, and others. I feel this team is at least 3-4 years from even getting to .500 baseball. Let's say they shock us and become competitive in 3 years. 2022: 81-81 2023: 61-101 2024: One of the 5 worst seasons in MLB history 2025: Almost undoubtably another 100 loss season 2026: ? 2027: Maybe something interesting? Oh, and the rebuild the Sox decided on all the way back in 2016 resulted in 2 playoff wins. At some point, I'd like to enjoy watching my favorite team play somewhat competitive baseball. So you may not care about the win loss record, but others do, at the very least from a holistic standpoint.

You almost had it, but lost everyone here. Choosing to be miserable? In their last 303 games, the Sox are 93-210. But the fans are the ones are in the wrong here. Got it.

That's one of the other crazy things. Say the Sox finish with a 37-125 record, which seems very possible, given their 31 wins right now. The biggest single season swing in wins in the divisional era are the D'Backs, who had 35 more wins in 99 than they did in 98. If the Sox matched that in 2025, they would be 72-90 next year 😂

Which is basically chicken or the egg, because with their historically bad farm system development, without spending, will they ever sniff .500? It's why I don't agree with Balta on the "Crochet Formula." He's 25 years old. Noah Schultz and Hagen Smith are probably both on this team in 2026. As I have said before, if Crochet was at all open to signing a 5 year extension, I'd front load the hell out of hit, pay the bulk of it while this team has a very small payroll, and still have Crochet during his 28-30 year old seasons at a below market rate. I understand that this organization doesn't have any offensive hitting depth, and one of the easiest ways to obtain that is by trading Crochet and obtaining 2-3 pieces that can help fill the diamond, but it still is, imo, a very poor use of Garret Crochet as a player. He is what every team dreams of having their 1st round pick develop into. Trading him at 25 is not how you turn into a better franchise.

Coming into 2024 PCA was ranked the No. 18 prospect by BA, No. 16 by MLB.com and No. 20 by Baseball Prospectus. You are very, very wrong on this.

Correct. Getz wanting to hire outside the organization doesn't make him a hypocrite. As others have said, he didn't hire himself. While basically no one believes he deserves the role he is in, I'd rather him take the approach he's taking than trying to convince AJ to manage the team, or Willie Harris being on the top of their candidate list simply because he played for the White Sox. This organization is in dire need of new voices.

I think this is totally correct, and he also doesn’t want to do things than the way they are done now. He doesn’t want to meet a bunch of new people, doesn’t want new voices, doesn’t want to change the “fabric” on the White Sox. Frustrating as hell, but I believe that’s the case

Just looked at the box score before I fall asleep…Gus Varland will be one hell of a trivia answer in a few years. Have 100% never heard of him and if someone asked me who Gus Varland is in about six months, I wouldn’t be able to answer 😂

We all have our vices.

Don't like those at all. The font on the logo looks really cheap.

This has been Robert’s last 30 days, before last night: 92 PA, .135/.163/.213, HR, 3.3% BB, 46.7% K Thats worst player in the league category. With his talent, that’s more than just a “rough patch” or “bad streak” Dude is checked out. Also is dealing with no lineup protection, has been hurt…but this is more than him just being unlucky. A 46.7% k rate?? Yikes

It’s exhibit 9,347,846

You keep saying this, and it keeps being wrong.

Jake Burger is 28 years old. He'll be well over 30 by the time the Sox are hopefully competitive. But thank you for dragging me into the surreal frontal cortex of your brain

It was a stupid trade, but wouldn't have changed the Sox situation. It's a nothing Burger.

If this was Nate Davis, I'd have a much bigger concern. Allen has been an absolute pro his entire career, don't think it's a thing...until it becomes a thing.

While I am a big advocate of personal responsibility (just in life in general) we've seen too many instances, for far too many years, to think this is just a player problem. How many guys leave here and find new life with different teams? Be it motivation, better lineup protection, better usage, better coaching staff, better analytics staff...If Robert was on a better team, my guess is he becomes a much better player. I've also always contended if Andrew Vaughn was drafted by say, the Brewers, his MLB career would have been much different than it is today.

It doesn't make any sense. They gave Maldonado 4.25 million. While I don't know what every executive in the league is making, I assume you could get a pretty good one for that cost. Building out a smart staff is pennies on the dollar compared to your player payroll. But they refuse to do it.

Been saying this point for a long time. There isn't any point. History has shown us time and time again Jerry isn't willing to compete or engage on the same playing field as others in his sport. Not only will he not spend on high priced free agents, but he won't invest in qualified front office staff, analytics, scouting, international, etc. No one is asking him to spend like the Dodgers. Most teams don't. But you don't have to do that to be competitive in most seasons. Look at the Brewers, the Guardians, Rays...They understand their payroll limitations and have put resources into player development and have established organizational philosophies that have made them some of the better franchises in the sport. White Sox ownership has no interest in that. So until that changes, nothing will.

I certainly don’t anticipate Jerry doing anything that pleases the fan base over the next few years, but doesn’t mean as a fan base we shouldn’t hold them to a higher standard, and when the inevitably don’t meet that standard, we should say as much.

You make yourself look really bad with these kind of posts. They're on pace FOR THE WORST RECORD IN MLB HISTORY. The owner said before the season started, he expected better results than 2023, a year in which the Sox finished 61-101. There is no "narrative" There are facts, and I would have thought someone with a medical background like yourself would lean on the side of using historical evidence and data to come to rational conclusions. I guess I was wrong.

Sure you can. Why are we OK with them being bad for the next 3-4 years? Fans spend money on the team, the owner doesn't share that same interest. While the end result may still be the same...there is a big difference between going .500 and playing .239 baseball. Jerry got the Sox into this mess. We should absolutely expect more.

Rick gave these exact requirements for hiring a new manager after they Ricky go…and ended up with Tony