Tony

If they lose tomorrow they'll actually be losers at 63-64

First time since 1990 the Sox won't have a 20 HR hitter

Yeah, the two of them are great, I've liked Gomez in it, and I liked where they took this second season. The neighbor Harold always cracks me up too, really like that actor.

First two episodes of this new season I didn't like, but the rest of the season was really good.

There is no evidence to think otherwise.

There honestly isn't the evidence to even back this claim up. The 2019 White Sox went 72-89 The 2020 White Sox went 35-25, managed by Rick Renteria, and lost in the first round of the playoffs in a COVID shortened season The 2021 White Sox went 93-69 but were 39-34 in the second half of that season, and got outclassed by Houston in the playoffs. The 2022 White Sox are 63-62 and played exactly .500 baseball in the first half of the season, going 46-46. They're 17-16 in the second half of this season thus far. Since the second half of 2021, the White Sox are 102-96. They've been a .500 team for 200 games. At what point do we stop looking at the first half of 2021 as the real White Sox, are realize this might be who they are?

Oh come on, we were told by the pom pom squad Diekman was a great pickup, it was all this team needed down the stretch!

I respect you're still doing this. I can't wrap my head around the idea of still being invested in this team on August 25th after everything we've witnessed the last year. Just can't do it.

This also speaks to the absolute crap that this farm system has produced. I suppose good on Hahn for getting of those guys...but as others have said, this is a big time stretch to consider the moves Rick has made over the last year+ a "positive"

It's not a great solution to the bigger problem. I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but at the end of the day, there are multiple people I know, some in their 50's (!!) that are still paying off debt and this will make their lives significantly better.

I think historically speaking, this is exactly what Sox fans have done. Someone posted that attendance chart a few days ago....by far the most games attended by 35,000+ was 2006, then 2007, then 2008...then it really started to fall off. Unfortunately we haven't had many good teams to support, certainly not teams with sustained success season after season, but the small data set we do have to go off of...Sox fans will come in droves if you put together a good team.

Again, these are mostly veterans, not players in their first or second year. These results have gone on far too long, I just refuse to believe a collection of multi-millionaires that earn their living based on the statistics they produce would all just "go along" with this plan from Frank Menechino. Maybe he is the main problem, there has been enough crazy shit with this organization where it's hard to give any situation the benefit of the doubt...but I just can't wrap my head around a MLB hitting coach thinking this is the correct approach, and MLB veterans buying into a plan that clearly isn't working. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up.

Grandal is down nearly .400 points in OPS compared to last year. He's 33, not 43. Vaughn seems to be once again hitting that late season wall like he did last year, I can somewhat forgive that given the positive season he's had overall. Yoan...I don't know what the fuck has happened there. Pollock is also down over .200 in OPS compared to last year, Robert same deal, Anderson is sitting at .734 and hasn't had an OPS not in the .800's since 2018. I don't get it. Something has happened. It can't just be the hitting coach, and it can't just be the "dead ball"

I think I know what you're getting at, and if I'm right...I agree with you that one guy (Menechino) simply can't be having this much of a negative impact on the entire group of veteran players on this team. I just can't see any scenario where players are actively going along with some plan to diminish driving the ball. However, it's not like one guy is being impacted. There is a team-wide power outage happening and SOMETHING is causing it. I agree it has to be a collection of things, but I really don't know what they are.

I'm saying your point was logical, but that doesn't fly when it comes to the White Sox.

You take your logic and get the fuck out of here. No room for that in White Sox land.

Sox version of a daytime soap opera.

Basically two games in a row where the coaching staff has actually put players in harms way.

I assume you mean us as fans, right? We're the assholes that keep coming back to these games and expecting something different.

Someone is going to give him decent money, and it shouldn't be the Sox. What's more likely: He repeats what he did this year or has a 5+ ERA at age 37?

Such an awfully managed team. This is what they mean when you talk about not putting your players in the best position to succeed.

That was awesome lol

He's correct, 2025 and 2026 are club options. 2023 is 9.5 and 2024 is 13

To be clear, you've gone out of your way to defend Rick Hahn tonight, and are now making a post, on August 19th, 2022 discussing how this team can "rebuild" and "having something going in a couple seasons" when earlier this calendar year, the same Rick Hahn told us this club had World Series expectations.