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I didn't say anything that foolish. You did. Obviously there would be comparable talent exchanged for any player included in a Kimbrel trade. You should let your little vendetta against me go.

Sept 9. 2021 story about Sox playing at Oakland: "(Vaughn) greeted the Cal baseball team Wednesday night, still young enough to have played with some of its current members during his own college days. But mostly, he was thrilled to show the people he loves, in person, that his dream came true. "They're proud of me," he said. "So many people had an impact on my career that were able to come out. Just to be able to thank them has been really special. "They're my people, they're my favorite people, and it doesn't matter what level I'm at, it's just great to see them under any circumstance." ------------ Yea, Vaughn might not mind coming home to CA. Perhaps a package of Kimbrel plus Vaughn might net a few decent players from the Dodgers.

I agree. Would you be satisfied with Rodon as that starter?

I was quite upset about the Madrigal trade the moment I heard about it. You cannot replace a talent like that by trading Kimbrel. There were a few here like SS2K that were of the opinion that Kimbrel would virtually guarantee a WS championship but not too many want to back Hahn for trading Madrigal any more. Hahn blew a hold in the infield that he cannot plug.

You aren't the problem because you disagree with them.

All of us, including sports fans have been through enough with the pandemic the past few years so the Owners and Players need to settle up and get back to the normal business of baseball.

"The basic and fundamental problem is shown on this page in the tweet SSHM shared. Over the past 20 years, baseball’s revenue has tripled. However, the earnings of the players have not tripled " That is not a problem, and that from someone who is not a capitalistic political ideologue. There is no sound reason for 1:1 revenue sharing between players and owners, an arrangement which would mirror the dreaded "socialism" which RW media use as a meme against opposing political factions. Ownership has a vested interest in the continued success of the franchise, responsibilities to current and former players, organization staffing, marketing, security, taxes, insurance etc.. Major league players do pretty well for themselves for men in their 20's and 30's. They are entitled to be paid fairly and paid well, but team profit should not be the measuring stick to determine their level of compensation.

I know, but the Dodgers expressed frustration with Lux and Bellinger at certain points last season, and hey, they have Taylor for second and Mookie for Right, so it's not like they would be left with any holes to fill.

Precisely what I had been thinking even before they signed Taylor. Not sure that a 3 player package of Kimbrel, Keuchel and Vaughn gets a deal for Lux and Bellinger done but I'd start there. Second base and RF solved in one deal. OK, pinch me, I was dreaming.

There are some forum addicted know-it-all posters that seemingly relish in oneupmanship. It is too bad that they dominate the forum at times and try to grind down and embarass posters for sport. Anyway, I respect all Sox fans including those who have different opinions. In fact, I like hearing different opinions which is why I read this forum. My own opinion is that signing Leury was a reasonable move. He provides flexibility for TLR to use him at various positions and against RH or LH pitching since he is a switch hitter. He has shown surprising power and while he has had injuries, he is relatively durable. I don't know this for a fact, but Leury must be an affable player that players and management respect and like having on the team.

You should remove the quotes pal.

LOL. So Bellinger or Vaughn. You would rather have Vaughn in RF?

Some fans think that is Vaughn's ceiling. Kimbrel plus Vaughn should bring back a player or two of intrerest, especially if NL adopts the DH and the Dodgers don't sign Jansen who is 34.

That's why I'd like to see him on the Sox babe.

Gamblers often double down on bad bets. If the Sox do not sign Semien they can still seek trade for a 2B or LH hitting RFer, Perhaps the Dodgers could be a trade partner for Lux and/or Cody Bellinger

Cauli gets a "loud" response.

You nailed it Two Gun Pete. You served the Nashville Hot Chicken Connoisseur a serving of cold turkey today. David Ross replaced Kimbrel as Closer midseason 2020. David Ross and Hoyer had lost confidence in him after a rocky 2020 season and again during Spring Training in 2021. Hahn gambled on the trade and lost. If this was a Free Agent acquisition that did not cost Madrigal and Heuer, it could be defended as a costly dice roll, but, like the trade for James Shields that cost Tatis Jr. it was beyond risky. Actually if was foolhardy, and it hurts, to wit: " In the end, there is really no debate no matter how you want to put it. The ‘set-up man’ of Craig Kimbrel should live in infamy of White Sox fans heads for a decent amount of time. It feels good to get a much needed win in a cross-town trade after, well you know, the Jose Quintana deal… " https://cubbiescrib.com/2021/10/16/chicago-cubs-undisputed-winners-craig-kimbrel-trade/ ouch. That hurts and will continue to as long as Madrigal and Heuer continue to contribute for the Cubs.

I never said "they blew that evaluation on Lynn" but they did blow it on Kimbrel champ. " I mean, it’s pretty obvious Kimbrel was going to collapse well before we acquired him. " LOL. Actually some predicted his decline. The Story Behind Craig Kimbrel's Sudden and Bizarre Decline You sound angry. Amirite? Are you angry?

Same analysis used by the same people when they traded Madrigal and Heuer for a guy with "shutdown sh1t." When will they ever learn, when will they e----ver-r learn?

A useful counterpoint even if taken as an unwelcome antidote to Steve Stone's promotion of Vaughn and mindless criticism of Eloy . Personally, I am tired of Stone's takes. Little things he does (like how he pronounces "E-Loy' ,") but generally, the back and forth with Benetti has gotten old. I always felt Stone woulds be better on the Northside of town. Maybe Ricketts should try to get him back now. I think a two year deal with another golden parachute might do it.

Well go ahead, buy into the hype with Vaughn but check back with yourself after next season and see if he lived up to it. I suspect he may become a slightly better than average hitter (.250-.270 BA with 20-25HR ) and that he will be deployed in a platoon role once again next season. Not that bad but maybe less than what I hear that some fans expect from him. I do not think Hahn can replace Vaughn's production in a trade, so he stays, at least for another year. And no, Hahn is not going to trade Eloy. Trade Eloy and replace him with Vaughn? My God what has gotten into some of you ? -

Kimbrel and ______ (you fill it in) from WSox for Phillies top 3 prospects. https://www.philliesnation.com/2021/09/phillies-nation-top-20-phillies-prospects-september-2021/ .

Racial preference in hiring and racism in general persist. I lived through the era of 100% racially segregated neighborhoods and public schools in Chicago when whites opposed and protested against affirmative action and school busing. Nothing much has changed since then. Justin Fields football helmet calls out to "End Racism." However, I doubt that happens for another 100 years or more. Maybe never. Yea, yea, the best person should be hired for the job and no one should get any special treatment regardless of race, slavery and racism ended with the Civil War, I am not a racist.... This straddles the line here between politics and baseball, but I think it is safe to say that whatever one's opinion is on minority hiring, no one, including Kenny Williams, is going to change your mind.

There you go again.

"Guys"? At least the opinions I post are my own, I try to support them, and don't feel the need to be validated by having others join in disagreement.