Squirmin' for Yermin

Yeah I’d much rather stay away from Miller and Woo

3 team trade idea Mariners receive - Cease Orioles receive - Miller and Hancock white Sox receive - Kjerstad, Gonzalez, Arroyo, Baumeister

Gabriel Gonzalez isn’t? He’d be a great get. He’d be my target

You’d have to get one of Young/Gonzalez

If he can’t catch, his value is extremely diminished.

This is a terrible Bruce Levine take. If your offer isn’t great. You hold him. His value won’t decline much UNLESS there’s an injury.

Would you venture a guess what the offer is?

I imagine the likelihood of him being another bat without a position.

Same. I want to get away from what we've always done.

I’d hate to be the team that give Bellinger 150++

Yeah, all of those are easy "no's" for me

Super weird signing for the Dodgers.. We must be asking for the MOON.

He literally has a 7.6/9 K rate which is pathetic

Okay fine. I'll move Kremer up to #16 just for you <3. He's getting closer to your #1 spot!!

I expected nothing less

I just went straight off what's online to be fair.

'if any' would insinuate that there may be none better than him. I have him ranked around 17 it appears. The majority of the ones he is better than are coincidentally bad teams. It seems most of the 'better teams' have better #4 starters.

Anyone who pitches lots of innings racks up fWAR... We had that with Reynaldo Lopez yearssss back.

Because you've stated at least twice now that Kremer is the best #4 starter in the league, I decided since I'm snowed in, to waste 1 hour of my life researching this for you and also me. Rays - Baz/Bradley (I think everyone would take the Rays). Blue Jays - Kikuchi (Had a .41 better FIP than Kremer) Yankees - Stroman (Yankees easy here, obviously). Red Sox - Houck (I'll give Kremer the win here, despite Houck having a better FIP). +1 Twins - I don't think they even have one yet. (Kremer obvious win here). +1 Tigers - Faedo (Kremer easy win here) +1 Guardians - Logan Allen (I'd take Allen here pretty easily) White Sox - Soroka (Obvious Kremer win here) +1 Royals - Lynch (Kremer easy win) +1 Astros - Urquidy (I would take Urquidy here given a better track record, but I'll call it a 'push') +.5 Rangers - Jon Gray/Mahle (Rangers win here pretty easily) Mariners - Woo/Miller (Easy Mariners win) Angels - Sandova (Kremer win here) +1 Athletics - Not even wasting my time. (Kremer win) +1 Braves - Sale (Braves win) Phillies - Suarez (Pretty easy Suarez win) Marlins - Garrett (Braxton garrett breakthrough last 2 years. win marlins) Mets - Quintana (This is an easy Quintana win given the track record) Nationals - Corbin (Easy Kremer win) +1 Brewers - Miley (This is a Miley win assuming health) Cubs - Shoto Imanga (I'll give this to Kremer since Imanga is a wild card, and I'm being nice). +1 Reds - Lively (Kremer win) +1 Pirates - Oviedo (Oviedo had a slightly better FIP, I'm going 'push' here) +.5 Cardinals - Gibson (former Oriole, easy win for Gibson) Dodgers - Not wasting my time (They have 10 better probably lol. Kremer loss) Diamonbacks - Pfaadt (Give me Pfaadt all day) Padres - Waldron (Kremer win) +1 Giants - Ray (Ray easy) Rockies - Hudson (Kremer easy) +1 So by the count of this, I personally have Kremer better than 13 other #4 (per depth charts currently). This ranks him #17, which is indeed close to #1, like you insinuated, if you remove the 7. I am mad you made me do this. But you made me.

Dean Kremer had a 4.51 FIP last year. Not sure if you knew that.

That's a pretty hefty bonus right?

which would be CRAZY to count on that many young prospects. Santander is one of the only guys who has track record

Eloy was a far better prospect than Mayo.

Yeah, I hate their pitching staff (for a playoff contender) and their bullpen makes me nervous given that their best guy (Cano) had a career year last year with not much success prior. Wild to be that they have yet to make any improvement in either of those areas.

I mean, sure. But isn't there always a "stailmate" in all trade discussions? We don't know what's being offered I presume. If we are firm at Kjerstad AND Westburg, that seems like a lot. But if they're firm at a Westburg, Beavers and McDermott (3 player) deal, then that is an easy pass and wait until the deadline offer as that can easily be matched even without an improved Cease. The only risk, is injury or a Manoah like collapse.