per Olney

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/whit...of-control.html

 

 

 

 

So to clarify, 4 years (or more) is off the table

 

everyone else (shorter term guys) are on the table

Edited November 19, 20169 yr by Jose Paniagua

If true, this proves they're planning a half-ass rebuild. We should be open to moving anyone other than Rodon & Anderson if the right price is met.

Edited November 19, 20169 yr by Chicago White Sox

Part of me feels that it's not as much about rebuilding as it is getting rid of Sale and his attitude

Yeah, I am not surprised by this at all. The Sox know they don't have the time or resources to burn this down

Ugh, not good news at all. Have a feeling this rebuild will be half-assed.

I am, of course, OK with keeping Eaton and Quintana, but the idea that 'any player of 4 years is off the table' is a bit ridiculous. That's not how you trade. You dangle everyone.

 

I think it would be near impossible to get fair value for Eaton, however, Quintanna is a nice trade chip (albeit, possibly undervalued). I say everything (except Anderson/perhaps Rodon) is on the tale.

 

Everytime I read stories like this I get that pit in my stomache thinking their going to f*ck up the rebuild and do it half-ass.

I think its posturing, once Sale has been moved it makes no sense to hold onto Q when he could get a similar return same for Jones who would likely get a Ken Giles like return. The only real question is do you hold onto Eaton or sell high.

Part of me feels that it's not as much about rebuilding as it is getting rid of Sale and his attitude

 

This. I've long felt they are going to be doing a hybrid rebuild/retool. I think they are close to a deal with Sale that'll plug quite a few holes and they don't want to mortgage too much of the "now" picture. I bet they trade Sale and Frazier, Robertson midseason, and maybe Melky at some point.

Part of me feels that it's not as much about rebuilding as it is getting rid of Sale and his attitude

I think this is spot on.

I'm not going to worry about media reports one way or the other. Let's just see what happens over the next month or so.

Cafardo also says Q isn't a hot topic, but does mention Rodon

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...QvbO/story.html

Basically what I expected. Can still bring back nice pieces dealing Sale, Robertson and Abreu and interesting pieces on the shorter term guys.

I think its posturing, once Sale has been moved it makes no sense to hold onto Q when he could get a similar return same for Jones who would likely get a Ken Giles like return. The only real question is do you hold onto Eaton or sell high.

I'm hoping the same thing. Look, I'm not demanding they deal Quintana or Eaton, just want them to be open to it. I really think they should be aggressive with Jones though. He could command a huge return and can likely be replaced by the time we'll be competitive again.

This could be posturing or they're going to half ass rebuild which won't be surprising because you can look up the phrase half-ass and see Chicago White Sox in it. That's what they do.

They could also trade absolutely nobody and end up buying. Basically, we still have no idea what is going on.

They could also trade absolutely nobody and end up buying. Basically, we still have no idea what is going on.

 

It sounds like Encarnacion doesn't have much of a market right now. Think we could get him for cheaper than a lot of people expect. Boston reportedly not interested in him and want a guy on a short term deal for DH.

Edited November 19, 20169 yr by soxforlife05

I do feel like a guy like Jones could get more from "close" team at deadline. But his injury history makes me want to move him now.

So if the White Sox traded Sale and Frazier and Melky and Abreu and Robertson and few others but kept Quintana, Eaton and Jones, they would be half assing a rebuild. That cracks me up.

 

BTW, Hahn has said 100 times there are no untouchables. The longer term guys are available if the price is right.

Edited November 19, 20169 yr by Dick Allen

So if the White Sox traded Sale and Frazier and Melky and Abreu and Robertson and few others but kept Quintana, Eaton and Jones, they would be half assing a rebuild. That cracks me up.

 

It's actually the ideal plan IMO

I think they want to trade Sale, Frazier, Melky, etc to try and get players to compete in 2018/2019 with Q, Eaton, Jones, Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer, Collins, Burdi and FA signings. Not saying it can't be done but not exactly the easiest thing to do

This is just stupid.

I wouldn't be surprised if right now the Dodgers are telling teams they "don't really want to let go of Puig anymore because he has shown encouraging signs". The point it this:

 

You can't trust a damned thing in the media during an offseason.

It's actually the ideal plan IMO

 

 

I agree. They aren't going to get "value" for Quintana and Eaton because of the years of control. They could always trade those guys later or the trajectory to winning changes if some prospects perform and those guys are still around on the next winning Sox team. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they move Sale, D-Rob, Melky, and Frazier. They could move Gonzalez in season. Guys like Jennings and Jones will have value in season. This isn't a one off-season thing. They are just looking at players with cost control instead of 1-2 year fixes. It makes perfect sense.

I agree. They aren't going to get "value" for Quintana and Eaton because of the years of control. They could always trade those guys later or the trajectory to winning changes if some prospects perform and those guys are still around on the next winning Sox team. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they move Sale, D-Rob, Melky, and Frazier. They could move Gonzalez in season. Guys like Jennings and Jones will have value in season. This isn't a one off-season thing. They are just looking at players with cost control instead of 1-2 year fixes. It makes perfect sense.

This week people had several convincing points about Eaton - not only is a lot of his value from last year on defense tied up in his throwing (so there's a chance of a step back in that), but you also have an attitude worry with him potentially not being able to handle having several of his buddies traded. I think I was mostly in agreement with you, but I found those points very persuasive.

This week people had several convincing points about Eaton - not only is a lot of his value from last year on defense tied up in his throwing (so there's a chance of a step back in that), but you also have an attitude worry with him potentially not being able to handle having several of his buddies traded. I think I was mostly in agreement with you, but I found those points very persuasive.

 

 

Rightfully so. What would you need to move him though? I'd need an awful lot. I just don't see that price being met.