Eminor3rd Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 3, 2017 -> 09:15 PM) Literally can't get him ? He can still sign for 300K can't he ? I know it sounds ridiculous but in the context of the highest amount he can be offered it's not a big difference. If he becomes a major leaguer right away wouldn't his minimal salary be added to the bonus pool money and he would be under control for the normal amount of time? A promise to let him attempt to be an everyday player and starting pitcher seems like something that other teams wouldn't promise. Also do we think part of the offers to him will promise to extend or renegotiate his contract or is that not kosher ? Right, $300k is what I meant by "penalty box money." It's possible that he literally doesn't care about money at ALL and would sign for the minimum, but unless (1) the Sox are the ONLY team that will let him hit, or (2) he's REALLY excited about being part of a rebuild, we don't have anything to offer him that another more popular and more competitive team couldn't top. Edited September 8, 2017 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) Right, $300k is what I meant by "penalty box money." It's possible that he literally doesn't care about money at ALL and would sign for the minimum, but unless (1) the Sox are the ONLY team that will let him hit, or (2) he's REALLY excited about being part of a rebuild, we don't have anything to offer him that another more popular and more competitive team couldn't top. Yeah, I can't see any scenario where Otani signs here. We have nothing to offer him. No money, and no immediate chance to win. Even if he falls in love with Chicago, a team like the Cubs is a better fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I read the other day that the Yankees have traded for a decent amount slot money and now sit at around $8 million. They could be a team that can offer him DH at bats as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) I read the other day that the Yankees have traded for a decent amount slot money and now sit at around $8 million. They could be a team that can offer him DH at bats as well. I think you should provide a link because my research show that's way off. http://pinstripedprospects.com/yankees-add...for-otani-24809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) Right, $300k is what I meant by "penalty box money." It's possible that he literally doesn't care about money at ALL and would sign for the minimum, but unless (1) the Sox are the ONLY team that will let him hit, or (2) he's REALLY excited about being part of a rebuild, we don't have anything to offer him that another more popular and more competitive team couldn't top. Which is why I said the Sox only had a 1% chance at him in a later post. Hey it's a lot better odds than winning the powerball jackpot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/shohei-otani-w...-063136007.html Shohei Otani is coming to mlb this offseason. This is going to be fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I understand chasing your dream and wanting to play the best but 2 years is nothing to wait for the hundreds of millions he's leaving on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 08:03 AM) I understand chasing your dream and wanting to play the best but 2 years is nothing to wait for the hundreds of millions he's leaving on the table. Can he sign for just a couple years or is he subject to the six years, arbitration etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 08:23 AM) Can he sign for just a couple years or is he subject to the six years, arbitration etc. If he signs he'll get a minor league deal and whatever bonus he agrees to under $10 million. Then he becomes a regular MLB player that needs to accrue 6 years of service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Theo has got to be licking his chops right now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 09:09 AM) Theo has got to be licking his chops right now.. Believe they are still capped at $300k. I guess he can still try to convince him why he should come to Chicago. Edited September 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) Believe they are still capped at $300k. I guess he can still try to convince him why he should come to Chicago. Plus I think there's little to no chance he signs with an NL team without a DH slot ready for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) Plus I think there's little to no chance he signs with an NL team without a DH slot ready for him. Unless a team is actually willing to let him play another position which would just be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I get that the idea of being a hundred millionaire seems incredible, but this guy is going to be really rich no matter which way he chooses. The top Japanese players make like 5mill a year. If he bombs spectacularly he'll be able to go back to Japan and live like a rich person for the rest of his life. On the other hand, he has this depreciating asset which he has no possibility of gaining later in life, unlike money. He only has 6-8 or so years in his athletic "prime". His dream is to prove he is the best. Wasting 25% of that time just so you can become unfathomably rich instead of incredibly rich? It's not that crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) I get that the idea of being a hundred millionaire seems incredible, but this guy is going to be really rich no matter which way he chooses. The top Japanese players make like 5mill a year. If he bombs spectacularly he'll be able to go back to Japan and live like a rich person for the rest of his life. On the other hand, he has this depreciating asset which he has no possibility of gaining later in life, unlike money. He only has 6-8 or so years in his athletic "prime". His dream is to prove he is the best. Wasting 25% of that time just so you can become unfathomably rich instead of incredibly rich? It's not that crazy. And if he lives up to the hype in MLB, he will become an even bigger legend in Japan. Which will lead to more and more money as well anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Also lets keep in mind the reputation of "overload" on Japanese pitchers. Kenta Maeda came over and had "the worst medicals anyone has ever seen". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm not aware of how lucrative sponsorships and endorsements are in Japan, but I'm guessing you can live off of them, much as you can in the States, and that says nothing of the same that he might be able to get here as well. LeBron James is worth $400 million and has "only" made $200 million from the NBA. Otani can easily become unfathomably rich even if he comes over next year and "only" receives a $30 million signing bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) I'm not aware of how lucrative sponsorships and endorsements are in Japan, but I'm guessing you can live off of them, much as you can in the States, and that says nothing of the same that he might be able to get here as well. LeBron James is worth $400 million and has "only" made $200 million from the NBA. Otani can easily become unfathomably rich even if he comes over next year and "only" receives a $30 million signing bonus. The max signing bonus he can get is less than $10mil and some are saying he might sign with a restricted team meaning he only gets $300K. But the point still stands, he will probably make a ton in endorsements right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 You think teams would try to keep him in the minors for 10 days or whatever it is to get the extra year of control? I feel like a team would have to agree that they will put him on the opening day roster right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) You think teams would try to keep him in the minors for 10 days or whatever it is to get the extra year of control? I feel like a team would have to agree that they will put him on the opening day roster right away. He's ready to play now. Keeping him in the minors for a year is way overvaluing 7 years from now over today. Doesn't make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:16 AM) He's ready to play now. Keeping him in the minors for a year is way overvaluing 7 years from now over today. Doesn't make sense to me. I didn't say keep him down for a year. Only the 9/10 days to get the 7th year equaling about 1 missed start. I don't think a team would do this either as it would probably be agreed upon that they wouldn't. Edited September 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) You think teams would try to keep him in the minors for 10 days or whatever it is to get the extra year of control? I feel like a team would have to agree that they will put him on the opening day roster right away. I would imagine that would be a part of the negotiations, and something that he wouldn't agree to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) I would imagine that would be a part of the negotiations, and something that he wouldn't agree to. Yeah most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) In Dave Cameron's chat today he thinks NL teams have the advantage because AL teams would be too wary of promising him too many at bats at DH in case he flops as a hitter and they're stuck with a black hole in the lineup, whereas NL teams can let him pinch hit on his off days where the bar he needs to clear for hitting will be much lower. But even if he does suck as a hitter will the AL team be obligated to keep trotting him out there at DH? And if that's the case couldn't an AL rebuilding club just take that risk and guarantee him plenty of AB? If he flops at the plate initially it's no big deal to them. Edited September 13, 2017 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 12:13 PM) Hey maybe there was an ulterior motive to giving Anderson that contract. Call it the Otani Plan. It sets a precedent that you can extend a players contract with minimal servicetime where the league didn't step in and void it. I know I am delusional but just because the most the Sox can offer is $300K shouldn't mean they shouldn't pursue their 1% shot at him. Life is often stranger than fiction. Ya never know. Just as I suspected . This is from the Yahoo article : Since the new rules regarding international players were announced, the question surrounding Otani has been some derivation of: How is he going to skirt them? Officials at MLB insist any effort to subvert the spirit of the rule will not be allowed. Would the league, for example, attempt to cancel a nine-figure contract extension for Otani if he stars in his first season? One official said precedent will matter, and any contract that doesn’t have a forebear will be considered a violation. So the Sox set a precedent with how they extended Anderson. This appears to give the Sox some leverage. Might have to keep an eye on any team this winter that extends a rookie who has had a decent 1st year if extending Otani's contract is judged on whether a team has extended a players contract after one season. So right now the Sox would hve a big advantage. Edited September 13, 2017 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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