What happened to that guy in the DR who knew everything?

4 minutes ago, The Sir said:

 I’d do Rutherford for Mazara straight up. 

That would be a fair trade.  Whether it helps the Sox is another question.

Edited December 11, 20196 yr by GreenSox

1 minute ago, GreenSox said:

If those are the only 2 prospects we have of real merit, we won't be rolling.  You'll need more, if for no other reason, to trade WHEN you are rolling (versus off of 72 wins)

They aren’t the only ones who have merit, its that they’re unlikely to have a spot here before their options are up, or they need to be 40 manned or whatever

1 hour ago, fathom said:

I’m guessing Stiever and Rutherford 

If they give up both guys for Mazara then Hahn should be fired on the spot.  The move is already highly questionable given the fact Mazara isn’t very good and is only under team control for two years.  Even if they’re able to unleash him, he’s going to be a free agent right in the middle of our window.  If you’re going to gamble on someone like this, at least pick someone where the upside is worst the risk.  This is just mind boggling to me and makes me question what in the fuck the actual plan is.

Just now, GreenSox said:

If those are the only 2 prospects we have of real merit, we won't be rolling.  You'll need more, if for no other reason, to trade WHEN you are rolling (versus off of 72 wins)

He specifically said bring up when you're rolling.

They just don't have that many spots on the diamond. SS, LF, CF, C, 1B and 3B are filled. 2B, RF, and DH is all you got. If Madrigal and Vaughn are the guys there, then they dont really need prospect push for another 4-5 years to replace pieces.

Trade for Mazara, DH him, then sign Castellanos, then sign Keuchel (meh) and call it an offseason. F it. 

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If they give up both guys for Mazara then Hahn should be fired on the spot.  The move is already highly questionable given the fact Mazara isn’t very good and is only under team control for two years.  Even if they’re able to unleash him, he’s going to be a free agent right in the middle of our window.  If you’re going to gamble on someone like this, at least pick someone where the upside is worst the risk.  This is just mind boggling to me and makes me question what in the fuck the actual plan is.

And his agent is Boras, so in the unlikely event that Mazara DOES break out in the next two seasons the Sox would have control of him for, Boras would take him to free agency.

Edited December 11, 20196 yr by Moan4Yoan

Career Stats vs RHP for Benintendi and Mazara, respectively:

vs RHP

449

1536

1348

219

387

95

12

41

200

44

9

157

265

.287

.363

.467

.830

629

23

12

4

15

9

8

.327

108

vs RHP

503

1615

1448

201

393

76

4

64

240

5

4

138

320

.271

.337

.462

.799

669

31

13

0

16

11

16

.305

112

Mazara has been the better power bat, but Benintendi has the better OBP. They're actually pretty close, vs. RHP. However, he is considerably worse vs LHP.

I assume that Mazara's arm is better suited for RF, than Benintendi's. He's also one year younger than Benintendi. 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 20196 yr by Lillian

26 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Jon Daniels runs circles around Hahn as a GM. 

you r correct

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If they give up both guys for Mazara then Hahn should be fired on the spot.  The move is already highly questionable given the fact Mazara isn’t very good and is only under team control for two years.  Even if they’re able to unleash him, he’s going to be a free agent right in the middle of our window.  If you’re going to gamble on someone like this, at least pick someone where the upside is worst the risk.  This is just mind boggling to me and makes me question what in the fuck the actual plan is.

You better hide the knives.  

It's bad enough Sox fans have to wait for another splash signing, now we are gonna wait another week to get Nomar Mazara. 

2 minutes ago, Soxnfins said:

Trade for Mazara, DH him, then sign Castellanos, then sign Keuchel (meh) and call it an offseason. F it. 

How f***ing bad have things gotten if Castellanos is the guy we're putting out in the field because someone else's defense is worse?

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, people balking at walker as the return are a bit over the top here.

Not a mazara fan, but wouldnt lose sleep over trading walker for him.

You’re nuts bro and must be related to someone in the front office.  Probably Koenig.

3 minutes ago, Lillian said:

Career Stats vs RHP for Benintendi and Mazara, respectively:

vs RHP

449

1536

1348

219

387

95

12

41

200

44

9

157

265

.287

.363

.467

.830

629

23

12

4

15

9

8

.327

108

vs RHP

503

1615 

1448

201

393

76

4

64

240

5

4

138

320

.271

.337

.462

.799

669

31

13

0

16

11

16

.305

112

  

Is this Lillian's swap meet? Where's Benetti when you need him?

Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful.  What’s the real answer?

Perhaps Hahn's reticence to include Vaughn and Madrigal as someone stated explains why we are forced to try and buy low on someone with upside who can hit righties well but has alot of flaws.

If you don't have a lot of quality depth and you won't trade top tier prospects (and he shouldn't do so, I agree) this is all we can do outside of using payroll flexibility to absorb a bad contract as the means of compensation which they seem to be doing in talks with BOS for Benintendi.

That's the only two ways to do it if you are in that position. Hopefully we will get something done that's decent.

 

Just now, Nardiwashere said:

Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful.  What’s the real answer?

He's not awful but below average so far in his career.

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

How f***ing bad have things gotten if Castellanos is the guy we're putting out in the field because someone else's defense is worse?

Castellanos is worse

2 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful.  What’s the real answer?

I don’t know anything about Duber but Chuck is a homer so I’m not surprised.  The defensive metrics say Mazara is bad.

But his bat (Castellanos)is 10x better......dear gracious why are we talking about Nomar freaking Mazara......

Edited December 11, 20196 yr by Wisebri224
clarification

10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

He specifically said bring up when you're rolling.

They just don't have that many spots on the diamond. SS, LF, CF, C, 1B and 3B are filled. 2B, RF, and DH is all you got. If Madrigal and Vaughn are the guys there, then they dont really need prospect push for another 4-5 years to replace pieces.

That's if you want a 2-3 year window like the Royals.   You should ALWAYS have a prospect push.  Injuries, upgrades, etc.   That's what drafts and international signings are for.  Good FOs don't rely on top 5 picks or good prospects only when they tank..  And this org. hasn't shown any ability to be above the bottom quartile via the draft (they're better at international signings, the rare times they bother trying).

Edited December 11, 20196 yr by GreenSox

5 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful.  What’s the real answer?

Both of them are just water carriers for the front office. Same goes for that McGuffey guy.

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

You’re nuts bro and must be related to someone in the front office.  Probably Koenig.

You love walker. Giving up stiever would be absurd. Giving up walker is whatever. 

I said I'm not a fan of the move, but if it predicates a bigger move because it's a cheaper option than Ozuna/Castellanos then I'm good with the gamble. Mazara isnt a talentless bum. He'd be worth the move if something bigger opened up due to it. that's the only thing I said.

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I don’t know anything about Duber but Chuck is a homer so I’m not surprised.  The defensive metrics say Mazara is bad.

It was mostly Duber saying that. 

You have to wonder if Castellanos is asking for 5/100 or something.