10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Vaughn, barring trade, injury or extension, will be up in late April.  Thats a damn near 100% lock.  He's not going to open the year on the roster, though.  

I think that’s true but it shouldn’t  stop you from bringing in good talent. What if Vaughn isn’t good right away? What if he gets injured? What if he sucks in the minors?Who is your DH? Too many good players at the same position is good thing. Vaughn shouldn’t come into the equation until he’s up and producing. The window is open.

Edited November 5, 20205 yr by Orlando

I wouldn't expect a full season next year, guys. 

Maybe probably 80 to 100 games at most. 

1 minute ago, Orlando said:

I think that’s true but it shouldn’t  stop you from bringing in good talent. What if Vaughn isn’t good at first? What if he gets injured? Who is your DH? Too much good players at the same position is good thing.

Blocking Vaughn when he is MLB-ready isn't a particularly great move.  More good players is better than less good players.  We have gapping hole in RF.  Let's fix that before worrying about adding more DH/1B types.  If Vaughn isn't good fesnively at 1B, good thing we have the defending AL MLB signed for two more years and he plays 1B.  

4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Blocking Vaughn when he is MLB-ready isn't a particularly great move.  More good players is better than less good players.  We have gapping hole in RF.  Let's fix that before worrying about adding more DH/1B types.  If Vaughn isn't good fesnively at 1B, good thing we have the defending AL MLB signed for two more years and he plays 1B.  

I meant at first, like his first crack at the majors. Not first base, sorry. 

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1 hour ago, Orlando said:

1. He is a FA

2. The Sox need a catcher

3. His former manager now manages the Sox

He's not the best fit but it definitely isn't zero reason.

1. Means nothing. 

2. Ummm... not if they resign McCann. Which should be a priority. And Yadi isn't gonna backup anybody, lol.

3. Ok. That's nice, but that's a really bad reason to cling to. Doesn't really matter. 

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

It’s just not feasible with this roster though. Grandal has to catch 120+ plus games if Abreu and Vaughn are on the team. 

Grandal doesn't have to catch that many games.  If they didn't bring Vaughn up this year that means they're going to play the game with him next year and he won't be up until June.  They need a strong defensive catcher and sacrificing half the season for what might happen in June isn't a good idea.  

41 minutes ago, fathom said:

And what happens when Tony decides Molina is better defensively and gives him too many starts while he puts Grandal at DH and Vaughn ends up losing at bats?

He'll consider any catcher they bring in as a better defense catcher than Grandal.  

Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said:

He'll consider any catcher they bring in as a better defense catcher than Grandal.  

I know I’ve said this before, but if they dislike his catching so much, they really should try to trade him and bring back McCann.  They would have to throw in some money, but it would still end up being cheaper.

8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Grandal doesn't have to catch that many games.  If they didn't bring Vaughn up this year that means they're going to play the game with him next year and he won't be up until June.  They need a strong defensive catcher and sacrificing half the season for what might happen in June isn't a good idea.  

June?  Far far far more likely we see him in late April once they get the extra year.  

10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

He'll consider any catcher they bring in as a better defense catcher than Grandal.  

Cool so then lets get another catcher. 

47 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:

1. Means nothing. 

2. Ummm... not if they resign McCann. Which should be a priority. And Yadi isn't gonna backup anybody, lol.

3. Ok. That's nice, but that's a really bad reason to cling to. Doesn't really matter. 

We seriously need to let this die. Yes, they should talk to him about coming back but it takes 2 to agree. He will be a starter somewhere.

1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:

I wouldn't expect a full season next year, guys. 

Maybe probably 80 to 100 games at most. 

Yup, Manfred and the owners have already been hinting at this

 

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Sox need another catcher for about 40 to 50 games.  Find yourselves a defensive specialist if you don't like Collins/Mercedes/Zavala to do the job.  Yadi isn't the guy we need right now.

Flowers

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Or did you mean to say you are not Not Cishek ? The old Shell game ? Did you stay at a Holiday Inn express ? Bananas.

Stayed at the Ace Hotel.

1 hour ago, fathom said:

I know I’ve said this before, but if they dislike his catching so much, they really should try to trade him and bring back McCann.  They would have to throw in some money, but it would still end up being cheaper.

 

3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

 

Would love it, but has that guy ever been correct?

Trading Grandal still makes zero sense peeps. 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Would love it, but has that guy ever been correct?

I personally don't trust him. I also think it would be a terrible trade haha

Just now, ChiSox59 said:

Trading Grandal still makes zero sense peeps. 

Sure, if they feel he doesn’t work with pitchers well and they’d rather invest their money in McCann than him.  I don’t think it happens, but crazier things have happened.

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Trading Grandal still makes zero sense peeps. 

But haven't you heard, he dropped a few baseballs and therefore is the worst player in MLB history

4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Trading Grandal still makes zero sense peeps. 

It really doesn't.  They would either have to take on a bad contract or hold so much money on the contract, that it wouldn’t make a difference. 

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

Sure, if they feel he doesn’t work with pitchers well and they’d rather invest their money in McCann than him.  I don’t think it happens, but crazier things have happened.

Trading a consensus top 2-3 catcher in the game r signed to a fair contract for 3 more years and just to replace him with a FA that is meaningfully worse at baseball and a meaningfully worse fit for the roster is not a decision any GM is going to make.  Not to mention the simple fact that the Sox are SOOOOOOOOOO righty heavy as is.  So lets remove 50% of the guys who can hit left handed in the everyday lineup, and replace them with yet another right handed hitter who is much worse offensively. Theres also that whole OBP thing, which is fairly important, and Grandal one of the few guys on the team that takes walks consistently.  McCann doesn't do that. It makes zero sense.

Grandal is good.  Grandal is better than McCann, and always has been.  Grandal is signed for three years.  McCann is a free agent.  The obsession with this whole situation on this board is dumbfounding.  

I will admit Grandal was disappointing with the glove in 2020.  But he wasn't awful, and he's still above average defensively.  Maybe the FA market craters enough that the Sox are the high bid on McCann and he returns as backup.  But I highly doubt that scenario is going to play out, and I will literally eat a shoe live on twitter if the Sox trade Grandal.  There is no chance it is happening.  

Edited November 5, 20205 yr by ChiSox59

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It really doesn't.  They would either have to take on a bad contract or hold so much money on the contract, that it wouldn’t make a difference. 

I mean that's a different angle than I was going, but yeah, I suppose that too.

But reall, what do you think Grandal gets if he were a FA this offseason?  I'd maybe take the under on 3/$55M he has left, but its not going to be THAT much lower.  Maybe 3/$45M.  I really don't think his contract is as bad as you make it out to be.  He doesn't have any surplus value, but his contract isn't' an anchor.  

I have no knowledge of this, but what if it’s a situation where the organization just doesn’t like how he calls a game and wants a mulligan on the signing?