2 minutes ago, Tony said:

I mean, it would have been an insult to fans. Trevor Bauer is getting 45 million in 2022. I’m fairly confident we’ll never see a player make that much in a season for the White Sox...ever.

Hell, let's clear the $20 million line first.    LOL 

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The 3rd year is only 17m, then, which means this a 2/85 deal.  He didn't get length, but he did get a deal where he sets two new salary records.

he also gets opt outs after the first two seasons and could easily search for another giant payday

$40 million is nuts.  That is essentially $250,000 per game played.  As a pitcher who goes every 5 days, the guy is going to make a million dollars on his off days in the 4 days in between starts.

That is crazy.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

The 3rd year is only 17m, then, which means this a 2/85 deal.  He didn't get length, but he did get a deal where he sets two new salary records.

Considering he was a guy who said he was going to go with one year deals to maximize his earnings, I don't care how good he is in 2021, getting $45 million in 2022 would have not be so easy. He did well. Isn't his agent getting paid by the hour and not by percentage?

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The 3rd year is only 17m, then, which means this a 2/85 deal.  He didn't get length, but he did get a deal where he sets two new salary records.

So yeah, teams that listen to how star free agents value themselves are able to close deals.

Teams that try to "read the market" with star free agents don't.

Great deal for Bauer. I’m a huge fan but will never complain that the Sox didn’t top this.

Outside of the fact that its a short term deal, Luba owned Friedman. 

1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Hell, let's clear the $20 million line first.    LOL 

The last year of the Moncada deal is over $20 million.

17 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The 1994 White Sox staff was on-pace to have 18.62 bWAR among their top 4 starters (McDowell, Alvarez, Bere, Alex Fernandez), all of whom were immensely "talented."

2005 White Sox had 16.7 fWAR/16.6 bWAR among their top 4 starters. One arm who was a borderline HOF'er, another arm who is one of the best international pitchers of all-time who came stateside a bit late, another who had 6 seasons with an ERA+ over 115 and was a 3 time all-star two time Cy-Young candidate, and their 4th starter who finished 6th in the Cy Young voting that year.

This roster has 3 starters and two complete question marks. I'll take the under both those WAR totals for this staff in 2021. I guess though, based on your posts, you might be 16.

You're arguing production from completed seasons. My post specifically said "talent." If you don't think this staff has more talent than 93 or 05, I'm not sure what to say. It's pretty clear Giolito, Cease, Kopech and Lynn had more talent than anyone on those staffs, with McDowell and Fernandez being arguable. Calling MB a "borderline HOF" is gigantic stretch, unless we're completely buying into the Hall of Very Good. Contreras was somewhat of a failure at this level when we got him, and he was about 56 years old. Garland had talent, but was a disappointment each year heading into 05. 

We'll see where the production ends up, but 1-5, I'm not even sure how you even can make an argument that this staff doesn't have more talent than either of those staffs. None of those pitchers had near the stuff of Gio, Cease or Kopech. 

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I really wanted Trevor but yeah, that contract is insane.

It's almost guaranteed he'll opt after the second year.  Unless something odd happens.

Giolito’s extension price probably just went way up. 

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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

$40 million is nuts.  That is essentially $250,000 per game played.  As a pitcher who goes every 5 days, the guy is going to make a million dollars on his off days in the 4 days in between starts.

That is crazy.

Yea and if he has a nice season you get to sign him again the next year!  Only the Dodgers have this sort of "fuck you" money.

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The 3rd year is only 17m, then, which means this a 2/85 deal.  He didn't get length, but he did get a deal where he sets two new salary records.

A clever way to structure the deal if you want him for 2 years...but too rich for my blood.

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The last year of the Moncada deal is over $20 million.

Let's get there first, assuming no fire sale prior to. 

If he throws 200 innings, he'll be making $200,000 an inning.  That's insane.

Two take aways;

1: Some White Sox fans were worried about signing a starter and blocking Dylan Cease or Michael Kopech while the Dodger just signed a starter to potentially block Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin - because they understand how important depth it, this year more than any other possibly as well. That's how big boy teams operate, and people calling this a bad deal are insane. Very very little risk for the Dodgers given the length of the deal.

2: The White Sox should check in on Tony Gonsolin because he would be an amazing add to this roster and he's undoubtedly the odd man out for the Dodgers and he's cost affordable which we know is imperative for the how this cheap ass organization operates.

3 minutes ago, Sockin said:

Giolito’s extension price probably just went way up. 

This is the most important take away from everything, if he wins a Cy Young too.... yeah kiss him goodbye 

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Two take aways;

1: Some White Sox fans were worried about signing a starter and blocking Dylan Cease or Michael Kopech while the Dodger just signed a starter to potentially block Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin - because they understand how important depth it, this year more than any other possibly as well. That's how big boy teams operate, and people calling this a bad deal are insane. Very very little risk for the Dodgers given the length of the deal.

2: The White Sox should check in on Tony Gonsolin because he would be an amazing add to this roster and he's undoubtedly the odd man out for the Dodgers and he's cost affordable which we know is imperative for the how this cheap ass organization operates.

Only the Dodgers and perhaps the Yankees have the finances to operate this way. 

All other teams if you can't pay cheaply for 2/5 or 3/5 of your rotation, you are screwed. 

MLB revenues have gone up 42% in the last 7 years; Alex Rodriguez signed for 27.5 million in 2008. Since 2008, MLB revenues have gone up 78%. There's nothing crazy about this contract. If anything, given the length, it's probably the safest allocation of funds you'll find among big contracts.

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On 12/4/2020 at 2:37 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Going to guess like a 3/105 so he can get another bite on the apple.

pretty good.

3 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Only the Dodgers and perhaps the Yankees have the finances to operate this way. 

All other teams if you can't pay cheaply for 2/5 or 3/5 of your rotation, you are screwed. 

Every MLB team has the finances to operate this way. Revenues have doubled since 2008 (to be exact, they're up 78%). payrolls have not. I have no idea why people choose to ignore this fact, but MLB revenues have soared, you guys are literally just stanning for ownership to pocket more and more money. This contract isn't crazy by any means.

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On 12/4/2020 at 3:41 PM, bmags said:

The AAVs were proposed were what he may sign for a shorter year commitment. If Gerrit Cole was a free agent this year and said he'd only sign a 1 or 2 year deal, he'd make more than his 36 million.

The point which everyone else followed was that he views himself as a top 5 pitcher, so you may be able to avoid a long-term commitment if you hit an AAV that puts him there. If you are going 6 years, nobody is saying he'd be getting a greinke deal.

also good.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Every MLB team has the finances to operate this way. Revenues have doubled since 2008; payrolls have not. I have no idea why people chose to ignore this fact, but MLB revenues have soared, you guys are literally just stanning for ownership to pocket more and more money. This contract isn't crazy by any means.

When you own a business, come talk to me. 

On 12/4/2020 at 3:49 PM, fathom said:

He’s getting 30 a year easily 

also good.