Pittsburgh is obviously blowing things up. Musgrove could be a good fit for the Sox. Thoughts?

At what cost? I'd love to have him but who do we give up? 

All depends on the cost of course. If all it takes is The Little Magician and some lesser pieces, sure. Sign La Stella to replace him and you're good to go. 

Madrigal and Rutherford. Get er done!

There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. 

Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. 

Man, if that's the case (and I'm not doubting it is), why isn't a deal done by the Sox or any other team in need of pitching?

Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. 

And Cherington wants prospects not MLB players anyway. 

Stiever should be the headliner and throw in a few lower pieces but none of Kelley, Crochet, Dalquist or Thompson (or Kopech, obviously).

I'm hesitant to throw in Rutherford as it sounds like he made some real strides power wise according to something I read.

4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. 

I was going to say something similar... Musgrove is a number 5 type around replacement level. Nothingburger trade value with many similar FA options.

Why are so many people so willing to trade Madrigal. Who the hell will play 2B if he's traded?

1 minute ago, hi8is said:

I was going to say something similar... Musgrove is a number 5 type around replacement level. Nothingburger trade value with many similar FA options.

Lol Musgrove is a lot better than a #5 replacement level starting pitcher.

1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Lol Musgrove is a lot better than a #5 replacement level starting pitcher.

Not by much...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=musgro000joe

Madrigal or any top young player for Musgrove is a joke.  Not to mention you close one hole and open another.
The Lynn package would have been reasonable.  

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by GreenSox

29 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Madrigal and Rutherford. Get er done!

Musgrove sucks and you want to give up Madrigal+? Glad you don’t run the team.

11 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said:

Why are so many people so willing to trade Madrigal. Who the hell will play 2B if he's traded?

One of the many options in free agency.

Ehh he’s 28 and probably is what he is at this point. He’s not a TOR arm so no idea why we’d trade for him when there are still free agent arms available that will give us the similar production without having to give up assets. 

18 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

The Lynn package would have been reasonable.  

Dunning + for Musgrove? No way Jose.

43 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There’s no chance that Musgrove would cost Madrigal. 

Even the worst GM that was drunk wouldn’t trade Nick for Musgrove

Madrigal OR Stiever? Those are vastly different levels of prospect. 

I would be willing to move Madrigal for Musgrove if they can find a way to get Adam Frazier back. No sense creating a hole at 2B just to get a #4 guy in our rotation.

What does the trade analyzer say?

Stiever + Rutherford. Who says no?

 

53 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Not by much...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=musgro000joe

This is where you rely on fWAR over bWAR for pitcher evaluation. fWAR uses FIP as their basis for pitcher's WAR while BR uses runs allowed. The former provides a better indicator than the latter.

Musgrove since becomes a full time starter 3 years ago:

2018 2.2 WAR / 19 GS

2019 3.3 WAR / 31 GS

2020 1 WAR/ 8 GS

If you go with Statcast metrics, his xERA also suggests a pretty good pitcher. All in all, I think He's a a decent #3 starter who will give you 3-3.5 WAR in a full season, will cost somewhere around $8M over the next two years.

I am not a Madrigal hater though, so I wouldn't give up Madrigal for him. Any combination of Stiever, Adolfo, Collins, Rutherford would be fine by me.

12 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

What does the trade analyzer say?

Moncada, Cease, Crochet for starters.

12 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

This is where you rely on fWAR over bWAR for pitcher evaluation. fWAR uses FIP as their basis for pitcher's WAR while BR uses runs allowed. The former provides a better indicator than the latter.

Musgrove since becomes a full time starter 3 years ago:

2018 2.2 WAR / 19 GS

2019 3.3 WAR / 31 GS

2020 1 WAR/ 8 GS

If you go with Statcast metrics, his xERA also suggests a pretty good pitcher. All in all, I think He's a a decent #3 starter who will give you 3-3.5 WAR in a full season, will cost somewhere around $8M over the next two years.

I am not a Madrigal hater though, so I wouldn't give up Madrigal for him. Any combination of Stiever, Adolfo, Collins, Rutherford would be fine by me.

Thanks, very good post.

1 hour ago, hi8is said:

I was going to say something similar... Musgrove is a number 5 type around replacement level. Nothingburger trade value with many similar FA options.

Musgrove ist certainly way better than replacement level, last 3 years he was 2.2, 3 3 and 1 (2.7 full season) war which makes him a 3/4.

However I wouldn't want to give up madrigal either for him as it would be similar player quality but only a third of the control years.

Edited December 24, 20205 yr by Dominikk85

4 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

Musgrove ist certainly way better than replacement level, last 3 years he was 2.2, 3 3 and 1 (2.7 full season) war which makes him a 3/4.

However I wouldn't want to give up madrigal either for him as it would be similar player quality but only a third of the control years.

I wasn’t looking at fWar and happily stand corrected.