1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, I mentioned it improves the back end of their roster; that is indisputable. But I want to win a World Series and I wanted a player that could make an impact. I wanted a sure thing upgrade that is an exciting piece.

If we wanted a power-first low-OBP 2nd baseman they should have gotten Escobar. It's just a disaster we didn't get Escobar if this was our direction.

That guy just isn't out there except for maybe Gallo, and arguably Frazier

7 minutes ago, BFirebird said:

Hernandez won the GG last year.  Leury is barely average defensively at 2B.  i think defensively it is a pretty big upgrade.

Pushing Leury back into his super sub role is a really nice help to a line up that has a lot of ailing guys too.

7 minutes ago, fathom said:

Because they didn’t like his medical!

Do you feel that this is ridiculous?

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, I mentioned it improves the back end of their roster; that is indisputable. But I want to win a World Series and I wanted a player that could make an impact. I wanted a sure thing upgrade that is an exciting piece.

If we wanted a power-first low-OBP 2nd baseman they should have gotten Escobar. It's just a disaster we didn't get Escobar if this was our direction.

Nothing about this is a disaster man.  Deep breaths.  Escobar and Hernandez have quite literally been the same player this year, and one is a better defender.  And that one isn't Escobar.  I too would have preferred EE, but this is far from a disaster. 

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

Do you feel that this is ridiculous?

It kind of is considering he hit better after his supposed injury. Unless they were talking about vaccination status, like Ron mentioned. 

is this the dog trainer guy from TV?

2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Do you feel that this is ridiculous?

Who knows what the results of his quad MRI were. 

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Nothing about this is a disaster man.  Deep breaths.  Escobar and Hernandez have quite literally been the same player this year, and one is a better defender.  And that one isn't Escobar.  I too would have preferred EE, but this is far from a disaster. 

For what this team needs, I don't buy Hernandez power surge at all and he's done so while destroying his OBP.

It's a disaster because it's the White Sox making a move just to make a move and settling for a guy. Escobar's track record of being this type of player is much longer. Hernandez has a few more balls not go over hte fence and he's trash.

36 minutes ago, Cerbaho-WG said:

Fangraphs disagrees. 

Solid move.

Bref has him as a negative on dWAR

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernace02.shtml

Is it because Escoabar was Arizona's freebie all-star? Is that why people think he's so great?

21 minutes ago, wegner said:

Seems like maybe a move just to make a move...very curious what they gave up.  There was talk in another thread about trading ron....is that a possibility?? 

I really think they are counting on a rebound in his BABIP  for the 2nd half. It's already started if his last month of production is any indication when he's been over  .900 OPS.

My only worry about this move is that Leury is going to get a LOT of RF starts. We need Robert back fast, so we can get Vaughn-Robert-Engel/sheets

13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

He has a 307 obp.

Read the rest of the sentence.

I’ve thought he would be a good addition since he signed in 2020… never thought it would be possible to trade with the Indians right now. ?

5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

PortillosHamburger, more like PortillosSadburger amIright?¿?

huh, this guy seems pretty good.  has some pop, elite glove.  good addition, gave up nothing really.

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

For what this team needs, I don't buy Hernandez power surge at all and he's done so while destroying his OBP.

It's a disaster because it's the White Sox making a move just to make a move and settling for a guy. Escobar's track record of being this type of player is much longer. Hernandez has a few more balls not go over hte fence and he's trash.

Alright.  I will let you remain outraged.  The Sox got better and there wasn't exactly a plethora of options for big impact bats at 2B.  The best options were all having terrible seasons. 

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Who knows what the results of his quad MRI were. 

Well the way you posted that it seems you feel incredulous that they didn't like his physical.

1 minute ago, mqr said:

Is it because Escoabar was Arizona's freebie all-star? Is that why people think he's so great?

I think it's because Escobar actually has a track record of being a good home run hitter. Hernandez never hit for much power before this year. He's on pace to hit nearly 30 and his previous career high was like 15. But like I pointed out, he's trying something new this year and it's gotten him 18 homers. 

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, I mentioned it improves the back end of their roster; that is indisputable. But I want to win a World Series and I wanted a player that could make an impact. I wanted a sure thing upgrade that is an exciting piece. I didn't want a guy who could feasibly get outplayed by Garcia in a smaller sample.

If we wanted a power-first low-OBP 2nd baseman they should have gotten Escobar. It's just a disaster we didn't get Escobar if this was our direction.

Both of these are just not true.  Hernandez is a better version of Leury....and I think he has a team option for next year.

Escobar .246/.300/.478 105 RC+ 2 WAR

Cesar .231/.307/.431 100 RC+  1.8 WAR

Leury .247/.325/.348  90 RC+  1.1 WAR

 

Hernandez is also now our co-leader in HR.

4 minutes ago, chw42 said:

It kind of is considering he hit better after his supposed injury. Unless they were talking about vaccination status, like Ron mentioned. 

I mean, if my team doctors say that isn't good, I have to trust them.  They aren't perfect but I'm not a doctor

I like Hernandez. He’s comparable to Escobar but a better defender so it’s a big upgrade than what we have now.

My initial post wasn’t sarcastic.  They truly didn’t like his medical report, but some people are just ignoring that aspect.

1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said:

My only worry about this move is that Leury is going to get a LOT of RF starts. We need Robert back fast, so we can get Vaughn-Robert-Engel/sheets

I don't think so.  Leury joins the Engel/Goodwin/Sheets rotation in RF, but Engel is playing against LHP which is what Leury hits better.  This move reduces Leurys play, not increases. 

3 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

My only worry about this move is that Leury is going to get a LOT of RF starts. We need Robert back fast, so we can get Vaughn-Robert-Engel/sheets

At least this probably means Goodwin stops getting starts in CF.