10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/34629522/the-4-steps-new-detroit-exec-scott-harris-follow-fix-tigers
 

Excellent article that delineates processes the White Sox should be undertaking NOW if they don’t want to end up behind the Tigers and Royals, too.

Minnesota FO or Baldelli next up at the guillotine.

These teams look at Cleveland and think WTF and fire everyone.  The White Sox are content with losing. 

KC and Detroit making front office moves, at least trying ... unlike this p.o.s. organization. 

Rick Hahn, worst GM in sports

can you imagine the quality of a replacement we would get when hiring would be contingent upon keeping larussa as field manager?

One thing about Dayton Moore, btw, unless the majority of players on the roster are born again Christians (like Madrigal), you don’t want him anywhere near your franchise.

He would be just another version of Buddy Bell.

I just don't see Hahn getting fired. The best we can hope for is KW retires, Hahn moves up to his spot, and someone from outside the org gets brought in as GM and is allowed to actually make decisions.

41 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I just don't see Hahn getting fired. The best we can hope for is KW retires, Hahn moves up to his spot, and someone from outside the org gets brought in as GM and is allowed to actually make decisions.

The idea that a team could spend this much money and disappoint this badly again and the GM could have this terrible of a record and they just say ho-hum everything is going to plan is just baffling.

57 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The idea that a team could spend this much money and disappoint this badly again and the GM could have this terrible of a record and they just say ho-hum everything is going to plan is just baffling.

Thoroughly mind bottling.

Bump

 

On 9/21/2022 at 5:03 PM, caulfield12 said:

One thing about Dayton Moore, btw, unless the majority of players on the roster are born again Christians (like Madrigal), you don’t want him anywhere near your franchise.

He would be just another version of Buddy Bell.

That’s really judge mental .  What does being a born again Christian have to do with winning or losing?

2 minutes ago, Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar said:

That’s really judge mental .  What does being a born again Christian have to do with winning or losing?

You have obviously never been around a big league clubhouse.  It's proselytizing religious belief...which works only if everyone is in agreement.  The 87-91 Twins would be an example. Almost every Royals' player is/was FCA.  Every aspect of the way Moore runs things is based on his fervent beliefs.  It's also one of the reasons Madrigal was Jettisoned...because he was rubbing many in the clubhouse the wrong way.

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You have obviously never been around a big league clubhouse.  It's proselytizing religious belief...which works only if everyone is in agreement.  The 87-91 Twins would be an example. Almost every Royals' player is/was FCA.  Every aspect of the way Moore runs things is based on his fervent beliefs.  It's also one of the reasons Madrigal was Jettisoned...because he was rubbing many in the clubhouse the wrong way.

I’m not questioning your locker room credentials I’m questioning your blanket biased statement.   Perhaps they should bring in a bunch of thugs like the NFL.   In between drug suspensions and off the field criminal activities you better have a deep bench of them.  

 

27 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

All under Rick "talk to me after the parade" Hahn has been in charge.

3 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I just don't see Hahn getting fired. The best we can hope for is KW retires, Hahn moves up to his spot, and someone from outside the org gets brought in as GM and is allowed to actually make decisions.

Williams' contract expires after the 2023 season, supposedly he has already told JR it will be his last deal, he's retiring.

3 hours ago, Tony said:

 

Would likely been 9 out of 10 if they played the full 162 in 2020. They would have played actual quality teams in the East and West divisions, and they were down to two starting pitchers with 100 games to go (Lucas who was awesome and injured Keuchel pitching on fumes by Game 62).

Hahn has one 80+ win season, and the Sox among the bottom near dead last among the 30 MLB teams under his watch (will post at the conclusion of the season).

Hahn's 82 + Win White Sox Seasons: 2021 (93), 2022 (Needs 6-4 or better)

Tony's 82 + Win White Sox Seasons: 1982 (87), 1983 (99), 1985 (85), 2021 (93), 2022 (63-65 record in the dugout)

White Sox All Time Manager Standings by Winning Percentage:

(World Series Championships and American League Pennants)

1. .592 Fielder Jones (1906 World Series)
2. .581 Clark Griffith (1901 AL Pennant - Pre World Series Era)
3. .578 Pants Rowland (1917 World Series)
4. .565 Marty Marion
5. .564 Al Lopez (1959 AL Pennant)
6. .551 Gene Lamont
7. .529 Paul Richards
8. .525 Bob Lemon
9. .524 Ozzie Guillen (2005 World Series)
10. .521 Eddie Collins
11. .519 Kid Gleason (1919 World Series)
12. .515 Jerry Manuel
13. .515 Jeff Torborg
14. .513 Billy Sullivan
15. .513 Tony La Russa

White Sox All Time General Manager Standings by Winning Percentage:

1. .568 Hank Greenberg (1959-1961) 267-203-3 (AL 1959)
2. .556 Charles Comiskey II & John Rigney (1956-1958) 257-205-2
3. .535 Charles Comiskey (1901-1914) 1115-968-48 (WS 1906; AL 1901)
4. .527 Ron Schueler (1991-2000) 817-734-3 
5. .521 Kenny Williams (2001-2012) 1014-931 (2005 WS)
6. .518 Frank Lane (1949-1955) 559-519-9
7. .504 Ed Short (1962-1970) 735-723-1
8. .494 Roland Hemond (1971-1985) 1165-1192-6
9. .487 Harry Grabiner (1915-1945) 2285-2408-27 (WS 1917; AL 1919)
10. .481 Larry Himes (1987-1990) 311-335
11. .461 Rick "Teflon" Hahn (2013-2022) 695-812
12. .444 Ken Harrleson (1986) 72-90
13. .425 Leslie O'Connor (1946-1948) 195-265-4

 

 

Edited September 25, 20223 yr by South Side Hit Men

2 hours ago, Ozzie’s Cuban Cigar said:

I’m not questioning your locker room credentials I’m questioning your blanket biased statement.   Perhaps they should bring in a bunch of thugs like the NFL.   In between drug suspensions and off the field criminal activities you better have a deep bench of them.  

 

If you don't understand why projecting your religious beliefs on a sports team, in 2022, is a fucking ridiculous and idiotic thing, especially given how culturally diverse sports are, maybe you need to enter the 21st century?

Holding anti-porn meetings and chastising players for having children out of wedlock, I'm sure, goes over really well with most young men today.?

Edited September 25, 20223 yr by Paulie4Pres

On 9/21/2022 at 10:24 PM, Superstar Lamar said:

can you imagine the quality of a replacement we would get when hiring would be contingent upon keeping larussa as field manager?

Knowing JR he will make TLR the General Manager!

1 hour ago, Paulie4Pres said:

Holding anti-porn meetings and chastising players for having children out of wedlock,

Moore did that?

4 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

If you don't understand why projecting your religious beliefs on a sports team, in 2022, is a fucking ridiculous and idiotic thing, especially given how culturally diverse sports are, maybe you need to enter the 21st century?

Holding anti-porn meetings and chastising players for having children out of wedlock, I'm sure, goes over really well with most young men today.?

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/03/21/kansas-city-royals-dayton-moore-anti-pornography-fight-new-drug

But, I have to confess, the Kansas City Royals have astounded even this veteran observer. A week or so ago, the team hosted a workshop to warn players and coaches against the dangers of … pornography. The way this happened was equally odd. Apparently, after one of the Royals was busted for a DUI last season, GM Dayton Moore got up at a press conference called to address the situation and wound up veering off into a screed about the perils of porn. (Moore has made no secret of his religious fundamentalism. One of his basic texts is a book titled, The Management Methods of Jesus, a title which, I admit, seems fairly far removed from the gospels.) So, I guess this recent workshop can be seen as a kind of follow-up to what Moore said at that press conference.

In fact, the Royals always have had a close relationship with fundamentalist Protestantism, and with its many enthusiastic fundraising arms. I can remember being in the press box at Royals Stadium back in the day and seeing the headquarters of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes on a bluff out behind left field. (The nights when the biweekly apocalyptic thunderstorms came rolling in off the prairies and illuminated the FCA building with lightning were especially signifying.) In 2001, fed up with losing, manager Tony Muser said "Chewing cookies, drinking milk, and praying isn't going to get it done. It's going to take a lot of hard work and some mindset … I'd like them to go out and pound tequila rather than have cookies and milk.”The local Christian activists went up the wall, and so did the fundamentalists on Muser’s team, one of whom was Mike Sweeney, who was the franchise cornerstone. Muser was gone by the end of the following April.

9 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

If you don't understand why projecting your religious beliefs on a sports team, in 2022, is a fucking ridiculous and idiotic thing, especially given how culturally diverse sports are, maybe you need to enter the 21st century?

Holding anti-porn meetings and chastising players for having children out of wedlock, I'm sure, goes over really well with most young men today.?

I'm not certain you have to be religious to believe that porn or casually having children is a bad thing. Looking at statistics kids do better with two parents no matter the wealth. 

So we'll respect cultural similarity but not diversity? You say diverse then shut down something based on Muslim faith? I'm not certain that respects the diversity. 

I'm also going to agree that the workplace may not be the best place for that dialogue. 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

All under Rick "talk to me after the parade" Hahn has been in charge.

I’m thinking they just keep needing more time to plan the logistics of the parade. Route optimization, ticker tape is probably tough to get with the supply chain issues, etc. These things take time.

18 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I just don't see Hahn getting fired. The best we can hope for is KW retires, Hahn moves up to his spot, and someone from outside the org gets brought in as GM and is allowed to actually make decisions.

I love this idea if you could move Hahn up to Kenny's spot and make sure he is never involved. Assure the new GM had full authority on all baseball decisions, which would be guaranteed by Reinsdorf, then maybe a good GM would possibly come here. Sadly though, unless the team gets sold in the offseason or Jerry passes away, this is probably not happening. 

4 hours ago, Texsox said:

I'm not certain you have to be religious to believe that porn or casually having children is a bad thing. Looking at statistics kids do better with two parents no matter the wealth. 

So we'll respect cultural similarity but not diversity? You say diverse then shut down something based on Muslim faith? I'm not certain that respects the diversity. 

I'm also going to agree that the workplace may not be the best place for that dialogue. 

 

 

 

Why does having a child out of wedlock mean there aren't two parents?????

Also, I was making a point that the workplace, especially in sports, is no place for your religious beliefs to be projected onto others. I didn't say anything about his religious beliefs. He can believe whatever the f*** he wants to believe(I disagree with his beliefs, and his defense of a player that molested his niece gives me doubts that they are even genuine). Leave religion at home.

Edited September 25, 20223 yr by Paulie4Pres

20 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:

Why does having a child out of wedlock mean there aren't two parents?????

Also, I was making a point that the workplace, especially in sports, is no place for your religious beliefs to be projected onto others. I didn't say anything about his religious beliefs. He can believe whatever the f*** he wants to believe(I disagree with his beliefs, and his defense of a player that molested his niece gives me doubts that they are even genuine). Leave religion at home.

That's your belief. Should you leave it at home or share it here? If your belief is shared by millions of other people does it make it less valid?