August 22, 20223 yr This dude is horrible. I posted a couple weeks ago that he was one of the worst hitters in all of mlb in driving runners in from 3rd with 1 out or less at 14% Since then I've seen him fail about 5 times. He seems like a good guy - but i hear stone throw him some love and some occasional posters. This dude is horrible stop getting fooled.
August 22, 20223 yr He’s garbage like several of our players, unfortunately he’s playing better than half the roster though.
August 22, 20223 yr Hopefully he plays bad enough the rest of the way to make it obvious he can’t be back
August 22, 20223 yr 46 minutes ago, harkness99 said: This dude is horrible. I posted a couple weeks ago that he was one of the worst hitters in all of mlb in driving runners in from 3rd with 1 out or less at 14% Since then I've seen him fail about 5 times. He seems like a good guy - but i hear stone throw him some love and some occasional posters. This dude is horrible stop getting fooled. With a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs, Harrison is hitting .154/.333/.154 in 18 PAs. He's stuck out 1/3 of the time in those situations. That's coming from a guy who only strikes out about 15% of the time in his career. What's even worse is that against the 4 seam fastball, he's striking out about 44% of the time. And he sees that pitch about 43% of the time in those situations (compared to 36% overall). There's clearly an easy playbook on how to get Harrison out on strikes when you really need it. And pitchers are executing it pretty well. Edited August 22, 20223 yr by chw42
August 22, 20223 yr Eh, he's been about a 0.9 fWAR player this year. For $5 million or whatever that isn't bad, it's nice and cheap and basically a slightly below league average starter, and the money saved by going cheap there was instrumental in creating this dominant bullpen. Seriously, if we had 1 fWAR players at 2b and in RF or on the bench the last couple years it actually makes a big difference.
August 22, 20223 yr I like Josh. But he's old and over the hill. He's one player on the Sox that probably actually needs some days off.
August 22, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, harkness99 said: This dude is horrible. I posted a couple weeks ago that he was one of the worst hitters in all of mlb in driving runners in from 3rd with 1 out or less at 14% Since then I've seen him fail about 5 times. He seems like a good guy - but i hear stone throw him some love and some occasional posters. This dude is horrible stop getting fooled. Send the memo to TLR. Did not pinch it late for Josh with two men in scoring position and less than 2 outs and failed once again.
August 22, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Eh, he's been about a 0.9 fWAR player this year. For $5 million or whatever that isn't bad, it's nice and cheap and basically a slightly below league average starter, and the money saved by going cheap there was instrumental in creating this dominant bullpen. Seriously, if we had 1 fWAR players at 2b and in RF or on the bench the last couple years it actually makes a big difference. The guy everybody else on the forum wanted, Escobar, isn't actually doing any better than Harrison. And he's making twice the amount with another guaranteed year on his contract. Brad Miller, another guy some on this forum wanted (myself included), has been worth -1.2 WAR this year. And he has another year on his contract. The problem isn't that Harrison is actually a bad player, he's a flawed player who the Sox are relying on way too much. He's being paid like a utility player and he's producing at exactly that level. It's Hahn's fault that we're relying on him to be the everyday 2nd baseman when he's really not that type of player anymore. The previous FA class also sucked terribly for second baseman. Pretty much everyone in the class has sucked. Even Semien, the best of the class, has been decidedly mediocre this year and his OPS actually isn't that much higher than Harrison's. The Kimbrel trade was a disaster, but would Nick Madrigal be putting up a .750 OPS with us after his hamstring injury? Cause he's having trouble cracking .600 with the Cubs. All in all, if you look at all of the options the Sox had, they all suck. And Harrison is somehow one of the best options and we're only paying him $5.5 million.
August 22, 20223 yr He was good June 5th to August. But holy shit. Not a winning player. This season is just a giant turd.
August 22, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, chw42 said: The guy everybody else on the forum wanted, Escobar, isn't actually doing any better than Harrison. And he's making twice the amount with another guaranteed year on his contract. Brad Miller, another guy some on this forum wanted (myself included), has been worth -1.2 WAR this year. And he has another year on his contract. The problem isn't that Harrison is actually a bad player, he's a flawed player who the Sox are relying on way too much. He's being paid like a utility player and he's producing at exactly that level. It's Hahn's fault that we're relying on him to be the everyday 2nd baseman when he's really not that type of player anymore. The previous FA class also sucked terribly for second baseman. Pretty much everyone in the class has sucked. Even Semien, the best of the class, has been decidedly mediocre this year and his OPS actually isn't that much higher than Harrison's. The Kimbrel trade was a disaster, but would Nick Madrigal be putting up a .750 OPS with us after his hamstring injury? Cause he's having trouble cracking .600 with the Cubs. All in all, if you look at all of the options the Sox had, they all suck. And Harrison is somehow one of the best options and we're only paying him $5.5 million. I mean, today's a prime example of the issue with him right? Having a 1-1.5 WAR 2b covering that position most games isn't bad as long as you can manage the roster. You play him some of the time and then you have a decent backup or two who also swap in to keep everyone healthy. When you get to a high leverage spot and the game is on the line, you swap guys like that out of the lineup and play for the platoon advantage to try to give yourself a better shot. But you can't do that if you play a man down all the time for reasons that make no sense, and you can't do that if you don't have tolerable backups or kids you can swap in. The problem isn't him, it's that we have a manager who can't recognize players' strengths and weaknesses and a roster that has too many black holes.
August 22, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, chw42 said: The guy everybody else on the forum wanted, Escobar, isn't actually doing any better than Harrison. And he's making twice the amount with another guaranteed year on his contract. Brad Miller, another guy some on this forum wanted (myself included), has been worth -1.2 WAR this year. And he has another year on his contract. The problem isn't that Harrison is actually a bad player, he's a flawed player who the Sox are relying on way too much. He's being paid like a utility player and he's producing at exactly that level. It's Hahn's fault that we're relying on him to be the everyday 2nd baseman when he's really not that type of player anymore. The previous FA class also sucked terribly for second baseman. Pretty much everyone in the class has sucked. Even Semien, the best of the class, has been decidedly mediocre this year and his OPS actually isn't that much higher than Harrison's. The Kimbrel trade was a disaster, but would Nick Madrigal be putting up a .750 OPS with us after his hamstring injury? Cause he's having trouble cracking .600 with the Cubs. All in all, if you look at all of the options the Sox had, they all suck. And Harrison is somehow one of the best options and we're only paying him $5.5 million. I don't think this off-season's FAs at 2nd base are any good either.
August 22, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Josh Harrison is giving us Josh Harrison. Pretty much. He's giving us what any reasonable person could have expected out of him at this stage in his career.
August 22, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, cuban_sammiches said: I don't think this off-season's FAs at 2nd base are any good either. This is what I've been able to find, there may be some others though: Max Muncy, Los Angeles Dodgers – $13 million club option, $1.5 million buyout. Kolten Wong, Milwaukee Brewers – $10 million club option, $2 million buyout. Enrique Hernandez, Boston Red Sox. Adam Frazier, Seattle Mariners. Josh Harrison, Chicago White Sox – Club option. Aledmys Diaz, Houston Astros.
August 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: This is what I've been able to find, there may be some others though: Max Muncy, Los Angeles Dodgers – $13 million club option, $1.5 million buyout. Kolten Wong, Milwaukee Brewers – $10 million club option, $2 million buyout. Enrique Hernandez, Boston Red Sox. Adam Frazier, Seattle Mariners. Josh Harrison, Chicago White Sox – Club option. Aledmys Diaz, Houston Astros. I think Muncy is staying with the Dodgers. Adam Frazier is staying with the Mariners. Is Enrique Hernandez just another Leury Garcia? Maybe we sign an aging Kolten Wong or......Carlos Hernandez 2.0.
August 23, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, cuban_sammiches said: I think Muncy is staying with the Dodgers. Adam Frazier is staying with the Mariners. Is Enrique Hernandez just another Leury Garcia? Maybe we sign an aging Kolten Wong or......Carlos Hernandez 2.0. Well over the 3.4 year stretch that included 2020 Kike put up 11.5 rWAR, so he’s clearly been a significant step above Leury in his career. He’s been hurt this year so his numbers are way down - could that presage a permanent decline, sure. Could he come back better next year? Also possible.
August 23, 20223 yr Just saw this stat posted on Harrison, today was the 19th time he came to the plate with a runner on third base and less than two outs. He has three RBI's.
August 23, 20223 yr Author 25 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Just saw this stat posted on Harrison, today was the 19th time he came to the plate with a runner on third base and less than two outs. He has three RBI's. yep... its pretty crazy
August 23, 20223 yr He sucks ass, but to be fair he’s an easy target for the greater organizational failures on display. He’d easily fade into the background if everything else around him also didn’t suck ass.
August 23, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Just saw this stat posted on Harrison, today was the 19th time he came to the plate with a runner on third base and less than two outs. He has three RBI's. Would be curious to see the rest of the team's stats in this situation. Read: "someone please look it up because I'm too lazy"
August 23, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: This is what I've been able to find, there may be some others though: Max Muncy, Los Angeles Dodgers – $13 million club option, $1.5 million buyout. Kolten Wong, Milwaukee Brewers – $10 million club option, $2 million buyout. Enrique Hernandez, Boston Red Sox. Adam Frazier, Seattle Mariners. Josh Harrison, Chicago White Sox – Club option. Aledmys Diaz, Houston Astros. Muncy would be a huge get and Wong a obvious fit (good D and LH). I also like Diaz as a better UTL
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