October 6, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Hahn's skill is as a contract negotiator, only in JR's world does that make him qualified to be a GM. Did a great job negotiating with Yaz, Liam, Leury Garcia, etc. pretty we could all have struck those deals. "I took the best offer and added 20pc" - The Firm
October 6, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, shago said: Did a great job negotiating with Yaz, Liam, Leury Garcia, etc. pretty we could all have struck those deals. "I took the best offer and added 20pc" - The Firm Actually that Hendriks deal is a mess. The brilliant "Same money option" thing seems to increase his luxury tax number every year, so that on a $54 million contract his luxury tax number is something like $70 million. As long as the team is no where near the luxury tax, and they make the playoffs every year so there's no need to consider trading a closer away, this doesn't matter. But if they were to miss the playoffs and/or need to cut spending and/or approach the luxury tax, he becomes less valuable in a trade, harder to move, and harder to hold onto.
October 6, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Actually that Hendriks deal is a mess. The brilliant "Same money option" thing seems to increase his luxury tax number every year, so that on a $54 million contract his luxury tax number is something like $70 million. As long as the team is no where near the luxury tax, and they make the playoffs every year so there's no need to consider trading a closer away, this doesn't matter. But if they were to miss the playoffs and/or need to cut spending and/or approach the luxury tax, he becomes less valuable in a trade, harder to move, and harder to hold onto. Right down the Rick Hahn fairway, one of the dumbest contracts in sports ... Guy is consistently too clever by half. Fits perfectly into Jerry World. Opposite of the Billy Beane / Rays approach (come up with clever ways to fit cheap players into a system and outperform), they overpay mediocre players who underperform. Go Rick! 2-7-1
October 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: why the delay to Monday lol? Because last Monday's game was a home game. They were on the road before that. Much of the team's media would have been traveling with the team along with the players prior to Monday. If they waited until after Wednesday the players would already be heading out. Starting the series on Monday was the last day they could count on everyone being able to come to the press conference who wanted to be there, including press, players, coaching staff, front office staff, etc, and easier to do it to start the series than on the last day of the year.
October 6, 20223 yr This organization created bad contracts and took on a few large market bad contracts. The trade for Kimbrel is not so much about players lost but the Pollock contract will hurt if he is around next season. Unfortunately there is only one naive GM in baseball.
October 7, 20223 yr On 10/4/2022 at 10:13 PM, Chisoxfn said: The Sox goal should be to have a top 5 scout, minor league coaching, analytic, and development staff in terms of comp. I don't care if there payroll is 15th in baseball - I want an org that manages its baseball people and strength and development and pays them and builds a unit with depth, expertise and specialization where appropriate. That should be the focus - if that means they cheap out $20M on payroll to fund it - so be it. Well said and Tampa has always been one of those blueprints we should strive to be like.
October 7, 20223 yr On 10/6/2022 at 9:57 AM, Balta1701 said: Actually that Hendriks deal is a mess. The brilliant "Same money option" thing seems to increase his luxury tax number every year, so that on a $54 million contract his luxury tax number is something like $70 million. As long as the team is no where near the luxury tax, and they make the playoffs every year so there's no need to consider trading a closer away, this doesn't matter. But if they were to miss the playoffs and/or need to cut spending and/or approach the luxury tax, he becomes less valuable in a trade, harder to move, and harder to hold onto. Disagree here, It's essentially a 2/29 deal for one of the best closers in baseball. That's a bargain.
October 7, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Disagree here, It's essentially a 2/29 deal for one of the best closers in baseball. That's a bargain. His salary is the 2nd highest in baseball for a reliever next year, assuming a mutual option in philly gets declined. He'll be 34 next year, had an arm injury, and his numbers have deteriorated the last 2 years. While he's still very good, and you may totally support "The second highest salary for any reliever in baseball" as a fair deal, it is definitely an exaggeration to say it's a bargain. Fangraphs, for example, valued him at $12.7 million this year. Furthermore, having the luxury tax number be $18 million next year when his salary is $14.3 million is clearly an issue if they wanted to trade him, as the only teams likely to trade for the 2nd highest reliever salary in baseball are also teams very near or in tax territory.
October 7, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Disagree here, It's essentially a 2/29 deal for one of the best closers in baseball. That's a bargain. That's assuming he stays healthy. His arm troubles this year were very concerning.
October 8, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, chw42 said: That's assuming he stays healthy. His arm troubles this year were very concerning. Given its the Sox, who knows how hurt he was or even what exactly was wrong. Hendriks did say publicly to the mainstream media that's he's been pitching with a forearm issue for years and its not making an impact. He said (paraphrasing) 'The nerve hasn't moved, the elbow is fine... some guys can't pitch through it, some can. It hasn't bothered me.'
October 8, 20223 yr 17 hours ago, Balta1701 said: His salary is the 2nd highest in baseball for a reliever next year, assuming a mutual option in philly gets declined. He'll be 34 next year, had an arm injury, and his numbers have deteriorated the last 2 years. While he's still very good, and you may totally support "The second highest salary for any reliever in baseball" as a fair deal, it is definitely an exaggeration to say it's a bargain. Fangraphs, for example, valued him at $12.7 million this year. Furthermore, having the luxury tax number be $18 million next year when his salary is $14.3 million is clearly an issue if they wanted to trade him, as the only teams likely to trade for the 2nd highest reliever salary in baseball are also teams very near or in tax territory. If they don’t trade him, isn’t his luxury tax number $0 in 2024?
October 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: If they don’t trade him, isn’t his luxury tax number $0 in 2024? Spotrac has it listed as $15 mill.
October 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: If they don’t trade him, isn’t his luxury tax number $0 in 2024? If I understand the math right, it is always the amount of money on the deal divided by the number of guaranteed years on the deal. For The first 3 years, it’s $18 million because the guaranteed money was $54 million over 3. If the option is picked up, it’s 1 guaranteed year at $15 million for the final year, calculated after the 2023 season ends. They don’t give a rebate for the extra luxury tax you already paid, it is just guaranteed money divided by years. That’s at least what Spotrac shows and there is nothing in the CBA text that makes me think there’s something they missed. So I think Ricky managed to create a contract that has a $54 million value and a $69 million luxury tax value. Doesn’t matter as long as you’re never near the tax and don’t need to trade him. Matters now.
October 8, 20223 yr Wore my W/Sox winter hat to work this morning. First time in a while I've worn any Sox gear. Life after TLR will be fine. Every time I get on this site, I'm blown away by the negativity. I thought people would be happier. I know I am. As for blasting Hahn for every thing, he was overruled on TLR. Then TLR brought in Joe Kelly and Josh Harrison. I'll bet he wasn't the guy pushing for Leury either. Sure he's a hack, but not as much as every one thinks. I think we all know he wanted A.J. Hinch for manager too. Maybe he'll get a chance to get it right this time.
October 8, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, Balta1701 said: If I understand the math right, it is always the amount of money on the deal divided by the number of guaranteed years on the deal. For The first 3 years, it’s $18 million because the guaranteed money was $54 million over 3. If the option is picked up, it’s 1 guaranteed year at $15 million for the final year, calculated after the 2023 season ends. They don’t give a rebate for the extra luxury tax you already paid, it is just guaranteed money divided by years. That’s at least what Spotrac shows and there is nothing in the CBA text that makes me think there’s something they missed. So I think Ricky managed to create a contract that has a $54 million value and a $69 million luxury tax value. Doesn’t matter as long as you’re never near the tax and don’t need to trade him. Matters now. Sportrac shows a luxury tax hit for 2024?
October 9, 20223 yr Tony: "I no longer have to deal with any more criticism. Justin Fields, the podium is now yours"
October 9, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Sportrac shows a luxury tax hit for 2024? Yes. Of $15 million. I think it goes away if his option is not picked up. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/2024/
October 9, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, Balta1701 said: If I understand the math right, it is always the amount of money on the deal divided by the number of guaranteed years on the deal. For The first 3 years, it’s $18 million because the guaranteed money was $54 million over 3. If the option is picked up, it’s 1 guaranteed year at $15 million for the final year, calculated after the 2023 season ends. They don’t give a rebate for the extra luxury tax you already paid, it is just guaranteed money divided by years. That’s at least what Spotrac shows and there is nothing in the CBA text that makes me think there’s something they missed. So I think Ricky managed to create a contract that has a $54 million value and a $69 million luxury tax value. Doesn’t matter as long as you’re never near the tax and don’t need to trade him. Matters now. The front office wanting a player that ownership is reluctant to pay for is a common theme with the White Sox
October 21, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Texsox said: I just keep checking this thread to make sure it wasn't a dream. Nope. The nightmare is over.
October 21, 20223 yr 56 minutes ago, Texsox said: I just keep checking this thread to make sure it wasn't a dream. Unfortunately the fanbase suffered immensely for this owner’s mistake. I give TLR credit for drinking the hemlock, and taking blame. That speaks to his recovering integrity. Yes, allusions in this statement. ?
October 21, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Texsox said: I just keep checking this thread to make sure it wasn't a dream.
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