33-113. But it’s not his fault the team sucks. 

12 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

33-113. But it’s not his fault the team sucks. 

7-9 for the record...6-10 would be great, because it would mean a number in the 30's.

39-123 just looks much worse than 40-122.

Edited September 11, 20241 yr by caulfield12

18 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

33-113. But it’s not his fault the team sucks. 

No, it isn’t.  Rick Hahn used his Vulcan mind meld, took over Getz’s mind and body, and has made all of the Sox moves since the start of the offseason.

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

7-9 for the record...6-10 would be great, because it would mean a number in the 30's.

39-123 just looks much worse than 40-122.

There’s a few ways of looking at the record…pre-1900 included, total losses, worst percentage. I want them to be worse than the 1916 A’s by winning percentage…so 38-124. 5-11 or worse. 

29 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

7-9 for the record...6-10 would be great, because it would mean a number in the 30's.

39-123 just looks much worse than 40-122.

38-124 is the real target.

That is the worst winning percentage in 125 years.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

38-124 is the real target.

That is the worst winning percentage in 125 years.

And it's worth mentioning that the 1899 Cleveland Spiders were effectively a AAA team. The Spiders owners also owned the St. Louis Perfectos (formerly the Browns). They then transferred all of the Spiders good players to St. Louis.

The league then banned owners from owning more than 1 team.

But it really hammers home: The 2024 White Sox will likely be the worst team in MLB history that is actually attempting to be a major league team. Yes, there were restraints with Jerry, but everything Getz said when he got hired through Spring indicated that he thought they'd be a decent - not good, mind you, just decent - team at worst.

Chris Getz actively trying is this bad.

27 minutes ago, Quin said:

And it's worth mentioning that the 1899 Cleveland Spiders were effectively a AAA team. The Spiders owners also owned the St. Louis Perfectos (formerly the Browns). They then transferred all of the Spiders good players to St. Louis.

The league then banned owners from owning more than 1 team.

But it really hammers home: The 2024 White Sox will likely be the worst team in MLB history that is actually attempting to be a major league team. Yes, there were restraints with Jerry, but everything Getz said when he got hired through Spring indicated that he thought they'd be a decent - not good, mind you, just decent - team at worst.

Chris Getz actively trying is this bad.

“But Jerry is the owner…

“This was always going to be a losing season…”

”No one could have done better so who cares?”

“It’s not Getz’s fault…”

“Bannister 4 Life…”

Edited September 11, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023

4 hours ago, Quin said:

And it's worth mentioning that the 1899 Cleveland Spiders were effectively a AAA team. The Spiders owners also owned the St. Louis Perfectos (formerly the Browns). They then transferred all of the Spiders good players to St. Louis.

The league then banned owners from owning more than 1 team.

But it really hammers home: The 2024 White Sox will likely be the worst team in MLB history that is actually attempting to be a major league team. Yes, there were restraints with Jerry, but everything Getz said when he got hired through Spring indicated that he thought they'd be a decent - not good, mind you, just decent - team at worst.

Chris Getz actively trying is this bad.

They also played a vast majority of their games on the road. It wasnt MLB. As far as I can tell, the  White Sox are now the 3rd professional sports team since the beginning of last century to reach the 80 games below .500 mark in a season. Embrace it.

7 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

7-9 for the record...6-10 would be great, because it would mean a number in the 30's.

39-123 just looks much worse than 40-122.

 Considering they are 6-46 their last 52, it would seem impossible to hit the 40 win mark. They currently might even be worse than their record.

Edited September 11, 20241 yr by Dick Allen

I want 3-13 so they finish 90 games under .500 (36-126).

4 hours ago, JTB said:

I want 3-13 so they finish 90 games under .500 (36-126).

36-126 does have a nice ring to it. I'll be surprised if they win 3 more games though.

22 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

If you call back to back playoff appearances flimsy for the first time in franchise history, sure.

One of those playoff appearances was the covid year and deserves an asterik. TLR got the most out of the players and mircalously won the division the next year. Two playoff appearances with no series wins is not a successful rebuild in no, way, shape, or form. Even more so due to the fact that Hahn was trying to emulate the Cubs and Astros rebuild. 

2 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:

One of those playoff appearances was the covid year and deserves an asterik. TLR got the most out of the players and mircalously won the division the next year. Two playoff appearances with no series wins is not a successful rebuild in no, way, shape, or form. Even more so due to the fact that Hahn was trying to emulate the Cubs and Astros rebuild. 

Until Tony didn't get the most out of the players and they collapsed under his watch.

 

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Until Tony didn't get the most out of the players and they collapsed under his watch.

 

They were bound to collapse no matter who the manager was. They went from divion winner in 2021 to the worst team in the history of baseball in 3 years. That is all the proof one needs to see how the rebuild was built on a piss poor foundation. 

1 minute ago, LittleHurtCG said:

They were bound to collapse no matter who the manager was. They went from divion winner in 2021 to the worst team in the history of baseball in 3 years. That is all the proof one needs to see how the rebuild was built on a piss poor foundation. 

Honestly I have never seen anything like it.  All of these guys were showing promise and talent at the major league level.   Then to a man they ALL regressed, and regressed like I have never seen that many players do.  If the foundation was bad, they should have never shown that much ability, and never gotten anywhere at all.  it would have been different if they never made a playoff, but they did twice.  If the foundation was that bad, they never break .500.

42 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Honestly I have never seen anything like it.  All of these guys were showing promise and talent at the major league level.   Then to a man they ALL regressed, and regressed like I have never seen that many players do.  If the foundation was bad, they should have never shown that much ability, and never gotten anywhere at all.  it would have been different if they never made a playoff, but they did twice.  If the foundation was that bad, they never break .500.

Seeing Yoan and Eloy lose all their power was insane.  

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/09/11/for-white-sox-the-road-to-record-for-most-losses-season-has-been-made-of-rock-bottom-jerry-reinsdorf-chris-getz

 

1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

 

Building something in your own image quite literally.

1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

 

Even David Eckstein managed a .701 for his career.

Even Gordon Beckham was at .667 ops for his career.

4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Building something in your own image quite literally.

It's like a supervillain origin in a Saturday morning cartoon where if I can't get any chocolate chip cookies no one can get them.

Getz couldn't hit for s%*#, so here we are.

10 minutes ago, Quin said:

It's like a supervillain origin in a Saturday morning cartoon where if I can't get any chocolate chip cookies no one can get them.

Getz couldn't hit for s%*#, so here we are.

A lot of GM’s were former players that were even worse than Getz (Billy Beane), but they knew they sucked as players and could still identify good hitters that could get on base.  Getz goes after weaklings (Lopez, Fletcher, Julks, Vargas, Amaya, etc.) that hit as poorly as him.

Edited September 13, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

A lot of GM’s were former players that were even worse than Getz (Billy Beane), but they knew they sucked as players and could still identify good hitters that could get on base.  Getz goes after weaklings (Lopez, Fletcher, Julks, Vargas, Amaya, etc.) that hit as poorly as him.

Beane was also a top draft pick who was once considered the best prep player in the country.

Getz always a complementary type of player who didn't stand out in any way.

Edited September 13, 20241 yr by caulfield12

So were all over here having a meltdown on the Dolphins message board I post on and one of the posters made an excellent comment about the Dolphins GM that I think fits absolutely perfect with the White Sox situation.

"It's hard to blame Grier for one reason.

He didn't force himself into this position.

Someone hired him and someone refuses to acknowledge Grier has some serious liabilities. You can't fault Grier for taking a high level job if someone's going to give it to him.

The problem is above Grier's paygrade."