6 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

Please Getzy, name one real accomplishment from the 2024 season. I'll try to refrain from laughing in your face.

Crochet and Fedde...the end.

Until the Vargas trade undid all the good of the latter.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/11/09/chicago-white-sox-chris-getz-analytics-brian-bannister-brian-mahler-ryan-fuller-yoan-moncada-garrett-crochet

From MLB.com:

29. White Sox (24.3 WAR)

Top free agents: RHP Mike Clevinger, RHP Chris Flexen, 3B Yoán Moncada

Biggest needs: Where to start?

Not last! Not, you know, good, but not last. (Remember, again: the projections care about the players here and what they might do in 2025 – not that the 2024 team lost 121 games.) It should go without saying that new manager Will Venable arrives to find a roster that needs improvement basically everywhere, and that contention in 2025 is not exactly the goal. There are really only three questions that matter, right now:

1. Will ace Garrett Crochet get traded? If so, to who, for what?
2. Will center fielder Luis Robert Jr. rebound from a brutal year? If so, when does he get traded?
3. A year from now, which young players show that they’re part of the next good Sox team?

It’s that last question that seems most interesting, and most important. If the 2025 season gives you confidence that Colson Montgomery or Drew Thorpe or Miguel Vargas or Ky Bush or Edgar Quero are going to be contributors, while Noah Schultz and Hagen Smith progress towards the bigs, it can be a successful season. If they don’t? Competitive baseball could be years away on the South Side.

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

From MLB.com:

29. White Sox (24.3 WAR)

Top free agents: RHP Mike Clevinger, RHP Chris Flexen, 3B Yoán Moncada

Biggest needs: Where to start?

Not last! Not, you know, good, but not last. (Remember, again: the projections care about the players here and what they might do in 2025 – not that the 2024 team lost 121 games.) It should go without saying that new manager Will Venable arrives to find a roster that needs improvement basically everywhere, and that contention in 2025 is not exactly the goal. There are really only three questions that matter, right now:

1. Will ace Garrett Crochet get traded? If so, to who, for what?
2. Will center fielder Luis Robert Jr. rebound from a brutal year? If so, when does he get traded?
3. A year from now, which young players show that they’re part of the next good Sox team?

It’s that last question that seems most interesting, and most important. If the 2025 season gives you confidence that Colson Montgomery or Drew Thorpe or Miguel Vargas or Ky Bush or Edgar Quero are going to be contributors, while Noah Schultz and Hagen Smith progress towards the bigs, it can be a successful season. If they don’t? Competitive baseball could be years away on the South Side.

Could be?  

Ahead of the Phillies?

From the same article…

 

6. Twins (44.5 WAR)

Top free agents: OF Max Kepler, 1B Carlos Santana, INF Kyle Farmer

Biggest needs: Right-handed bats at first or corner outfield; bullpen

The first five teams: Yes, sure, all makes sense. The sixth: Wow, Minnesota, really? A disappointing 2024 turns into a more highly ranked start to 2025 than you’d think, simply because they are not losing much production from the 2024 team. There remains a great deal of talent on this roster, although, as always, it remains difficult to actually rely on Carlos Correa, Byron Buxton, and Royce Lewis to be healthy at the same time. Unlike other teams with a truly massive hole to fill at the moment, the Twins could field a reasonable 2025 lineup at every position and most of a pitching staff right now. If the season began today, they’d be in good shape. (It does not start today.)

That means that as other teams add, and the Twins likely remain relatively quiet on the market, this ranking is likely to drop. They need some kind of right-handed hitter, preferably one in the corner outfield. Like everyone, they could use another bullpen arm or three.

I thought this was an awesome article. It shows that the Twins have a lot of talent, but projection systems have trouble predicting injuries and boneheaded manager decisions.

3 hours ago, Timmy U said:

I thought this was an awesome article. It shows that the Twins have a lot of talent, but projection systems have trouble predicting injuries and boneheaded manager decisions.

The irony is that the Twins are the other team in the AL Central in the process of being sold and quite likely rebuilding after shedding $20-30 million in salary last off season due largely to an RSN revenue short fall.

On 11/8/2024 at 5:18 PM, hi8is said:

The press conference introducing Venable was absolutely gross… Specifically Getz.

He said he was “proud of what we have accomplished in the last year.”

Dude.

Last years quote about how he “didn’t like their team” got put on T shirts. The team banned those shirts from the ballpark. 

That trade still puzzles me as to wonder why any scouts would give a blessing on that.

 I still think it's a decade away.  Could be longer if TLR is around and Reinsdorf is a master at destroying winning and losing fans.  People don't think it could get worse but worse keeps getting redefined in the Sox kingdom.  Would not be surprised if 130 losses happen without your ace and a CF who has to make up for the deficiencies of the outfield.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

Last years quote about how he “didn’t like their team” got put on T shirts. The team banned those shirts from the ballpark. 

I ate 7 mini ice cream sandwiches yesterday.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

Last years quote about how he “didn’t like their team” got put on T shirts. The team banned those shirts from the ballpark. 

I couldn’t believe this was actually true until I looked it up.  Wow.

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/fan-says-white-sox-security-forced-them-to-cover-t-shirts-because-of-reinsdorf/

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I couldn’t believe this was actually true until I looked it up.  Wow.

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/fan-says-white-sox-security-forced-them-to-cover-t-shirts-because-of-reinsdorf/

Would have been funnier if the players themselves printed them...that would have more of a "Major League" movie feel to it.

We did have Benintendi getting charged up at the end of the year when some fans were booing wins with the loss record in sight.

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

We did have Benintendi getting charged up at the end of the year when some fans were booing wins with the loss record in sight.

I would like to see a video of this 😆

9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I couldn’t believe this was actually true until I looked it up.  Wow.

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/fan-says-white-sox-security-forced-them-to-cover-t-shirts-because-of-reinsdorf/

Yeah. So, is Getz going to be honest about anything any more? Nah. Everything was great. 

Just very simply, why is this clown still employed?

Worst record last year and now whatever this crap is. It's just ridiculous.

12 minutes ago, wegner said:

Just very simply, why is this clown still employed?

Worst record last year and now whatever this crap is. It's just ridiculous.

Making a change will only matter if they do a legitimate search outside the organization and not merely prioritize cronies and sycophants that will essentially run interference for JR.

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Making a change will only matter if they do a legitimate search outside the organization and not merely prioritize cronies and sycophants that will essentially run interference for JR.

Very true and JR won't allow a thorough search outside of the organization. How many times has he had a chance to do so and never even considered it?

2 hours ago, wegner said:

Just very simply, why is this clown still employed?

Worst record last year and now whatever this crap is. It's just ridiculous.

This isn't OOTP. At a certain point you lose generations of fans doing whatever the hell this is. 

3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Very true and JR won't allow a thorough search outside of the organization. How many times has he had a chance to do so and never even considered it?

I remember Getz was hired instead of an outside candidate as he knew the organisation and so that a big rebuild wouldn't be needed! How's that going?

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

This isn't OOTP. At a certain point you lose generations of fans doing whatever the hell this is. 

One of the (numerous) with JR's current approach to ownership is the assumption that anywhere from 1/4th to 1/3rd of Chicago will eventually return to the White Sox...some undefined day in the future...no matter what malpractice he does to the team.

I think we know enough about teens twenty-somethings/Millennials that we shouldn't just assume they haven't been lost forever to other more "exciting" sports, e-sports/gaming, etc.

Those born in 1995 are now 30 and were only ten the last time the White Sox won the WS...how many of those new fans (from back then) are still hanging in there two full decades later (and now 2 full rebuilds) if their entire family/relatives aren't also Sox fans and/or Cub haters (to use a favorite Schiffren term)???

8 minutes ago, Chimpton said:

I remember Getz was hired instead of an outside candidate as he knew the organisation and so that a big rebuild wouldn't be needed! How's that going?

Great success!!!  (not!)

 

3 hours ago, wegner said:

Just very simply, why is this clown still employed?

Worst record last year and now whatever this crap is. It's just ridiculous.

He has carte blanche from ownership to tear it down yet again to the studs. Which Jerry said the last time that it had to be done, and done the right way even despite earlier concerns about Jerry not having much time left to live. The only catch is the “done the right way” part. I am from the camp that always wants to see a youth movement in Chicago, because the Sox version of paying veterans is paying meh veterans on affordable old school contracts and hoping for a treadmill team pop up sans superstars. Who likes that crap.

Edited April 7, 2025Apr 7 by Chick Mercedes

10 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

He has carte blanche from ownership to tear it down yet again to the studs. Which Jerry said the last time that it had to be done, and done the right way even despite earlier concerns about Jerry not having much time left to live. The only catch is the “done the right way” part. I am from the camp that always wants to see a youth movement in Chicago, because the Sox version of paying veterans is paying meh veterans on affordable old school contracts and hoping for a treadmill team pop up sans superstars. Who likes that crap.

It's not helping matters (at all) that our biggest hope for a homegrown superstar (Colson Montgomery) looks like a lost cause at the present moment.

And Luis Robert's not even getting the unforgettable Gavin Lux back in trade at the moment.

I noticed @WestEddy has been quiet lately. And he wonders why I was so pessimistic about this team in the offseason. Perhaps because this team is somehow worse than last year’s team, which is pretty hard to do even for an owner like Jerry and GM like Getz.

30 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

I noticed @WestEddy has been quiet lately. And he wonders why I was so pessimistic about this team in the offseason. Perhaps because this team is somehow worse than last year’s team, which is pretty hard to do even for an owner like Jerry and GM like Getz.

To use an Ozzie staple, "funny thing about it", Stone spent the last month of last season telling us how things would be better in 2025 simply because the White Sox would have a designated closer.