Fielder Jones Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Asking for 2 top 100 prospects for Cease is unreasonable now? If this is where we are at just keep him. It all just revolves around whats down lower in [CHICAGO ACCENT:] da package 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think they can make a really good deal with Westburg headlining Yes it is. Westburg is valuable. People are underrating him because he's graduated from prospect lists Where's the LHS in the deal then, Jimmy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Yes it is. Westburg is valuable. People are underrating him because he's graduated from prospect lists Is he Marcus Semien? Is he a high impact player on a championship team? I don't think he is. He's a good player. Solid avg but I don't think that's the type of player they should be targeting in this trade. They need to get two high ceiling/high impact players they can build around and I don't think Westberg is that type of player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 24 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: That’s not even an unreasonable ask. Yes it is. Well, let me rephrase..it’s not an unreasonable ask but it’s a completely unreasonable expectation. Edited January 15 by Sports Guy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I hope our scouts are savvy enough to be ahead of the curve on this and aren't wed to top 50/100 lists. Prospects rise and fall; heck the Dodgers just swapped a top 50 guy for an unranked prospect, in a deal that is considered fair. It gives a lot more leeway on making a deal; and we don't want yesterday's top 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 26 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Asking for 2 top 100 prospects for Cease is unreasonable now? If this is where we are at just keep him. No but I think asking for two top 75 types is a bit unrealistic and that's what this would be. 19 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Where's the LHS in the deal then, Jimmy? I would target Dylan Beavers, personally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Yes it is. Well, let me rephrase..it’s not an unreasonable ask but it’s a completely unreasonable expectation. How? 2 top 100 prospects for Cease in this market is not a completely unreasonable expectation at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said: Yes it is. Well, let me rephrase..it’s not an unreasonable ask but it’s a completely unreasonable expectation. Agreed. I'd kind of lump Basallo, Mayo, Kjerstad, Cowser and Westburg together. I'm sure some of these guys aren't available but the White Sox definitely aren't getting two of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, SoCalChiSox said: If the headliner is Westburg then no it's not "a good one". LHS is priority one. If he has put Cowser/Kjerstad and Ortiz/Norby on the table that is a good offer and perhaps the reports earlier are true that we are just haggling over the third piece. If BAL really does have a "good" offer on the table, this will pressure NYY to really make a "very good" offer....Cashman is on the hot seat. What’s wrong with Westburg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Rolle Tide said: What’s wrong with Westburg? Well he's not on prospect lists anymore so there's no way he can be any good 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Orioles fans are reaching Yankee fan levels of wanting good players in exchange for their garbage. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: No but I think asking for two top 75 types is a bit unrealistic and that's what this would be. I would target Dylan Beavers, personally. Jimmy I know you mentioned Horvath also recently. I'm warming more and more to a quantity package here. I read Horvath has a good bat and is projected to have a very good glove and has played both 2B and 3B. Instead of getting the IFer as the first or second piece and blowing alot of the value that way, maybe we just get a quantity package, and you get Beavers, Horvath, Povich, Bradfield, McDermott and maybe another piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 11 minutes ago, Rolle Tide said: What’s wrong with Westburg? 1. Fangraphs has him at 40 hit and 40 glove. 2. He's right handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: 1. Fangraphs has him at 40 hit and 40 glove. 2. He's right handed. I think it's 25 homer potential and OBP skills at 2B. If Fangraphs said otherwise though, it must be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: 1. Fangraphs has him at 40 hit and 40 glove. 2. He's right handed. I would ignore Fangraphs’ evaluation on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 How about this for a semi-quantity package (no two big boys).. Kjerstad, Beavers, Hovath and Bradfield @Sports Guy You can keep the pitchers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 13 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Jimmy I know you mentioned Horvath also recently. I'm warming more and more to a quantity package here. I read Horvath has a good bat and is projected to have a very good glove and has played both 2B and 3B. Instead of getting the IFer as the first or second piece and blowing alot of the value that way, maybe we just get a quantity package, and you get Beavers, Horvath, Povich, Bradfield, McDermott and maybe another piece. The issue I have in general with Baltimore is that I think Kjerstad ends up at first base pretty soon, Ortiz doesn't interest me at all, Norby might be left field only and Cowser's primary value is as a centerfielder. I've been searching for upside in that system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: How about this for a semi-quantity package (no two big boys).. Kjerstad, Beavers, Hovath and Bradfield @Sports Guy You can keep the pitchers I think this is wayyy too much in return. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think this is wayyy too much in return. I figured when I typed it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I would ignore Fangraphs’ evaluation on him. Why? We value that all the time...why should we ignore it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think it's 25 homer potential and OBP skills at 2B. If Fangraphs said otherwise though, it must be true. I get the sense you must have heard it's Westburg, Beavers and something else. I sure hope the something else is two other really good pieces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: 1. Fangraphs has him at 40 hit and 40 glove. 2. He's right handed. Fangraphs blows! 40 hit? LOL 😂 he was a top rated prospects before he cleared those rankings. Had 27 homers and more than 100 RBIs in 2022 between AA/AAA with a .870 OPS. Last year he had 18 homeruns and a .939 OPS before being called up, he’s ,370 OBP in the minors. M bettong he puts up an OBP of .350ish with an .815+OPS and 20-25 homeruns this season, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Guy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 34 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: How? 2 top 100 prospects for Cease in this market is not a completely unreasonable expectation at all. Ortiz is a top 100 guy..so is Mayo. The comp ends there. What you are really saying is that 2 top 50 guys is reasonable and there is absolutely no indication that is even within the realm of being reasonable. Cowser/Kjerstad are top 35 guys and Westburg isn’t far off, if not the same or higher in terms of value. So yes, it’s unreasonable to expect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I get the sense you must have heard it's Westburg, Beavers and something else. I sure hope the something else is two other really good pieces. I haven't heard anything, actually. No idea on my end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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