Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) 40 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Moving a corner infielder to RF… where have we seen that one before? Oh yeah, twice with Vaughn and Sheets. No thanks, Rick. Massive difference between moving a guy capable of playing 3B with average speed and a double plus arm to the OF vs. Andrew Vaughn. Don’t let the follies of Rick Hahn make you think just because a guy is big he can’t be an average fielder. Athleticism matters and Vaughn has none while Mayo actually does have some. Edited January 25 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What if he can be an average defensive OF and elite hitter? That sounds good to me. I’m just sick of shoving these CIF bats in the outfield though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: As between trade A or B what is your preference and why: A. Cease for Mayo straight up. B. Cease for Kjerstad, Norby/Ortiz and Povich/McDermott. I’d take B if the alternative is only Mayo but throw in say Beavers (or a similar prospect) and I’m taking A in a heartbeat. I just think Mayo is a vastly superior prospect to Kjerstad and would be willing to take less in terms of other pieces to get him. Now, if the O’s were offering Kjerstad & Westburg, I’d be all over that (even without anything else) vs. the previously mentioned deal. I just don’t love that next tier of guys in their system outside of Beavers & Horvath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Massive difference between moving a guy capable of playing 3B with average speed and a double plus arm to the OF vs. Andrew Vaughn. Don’t let the follies of Rick Hahn make you think just because a guy is big he can’t be an average fielder. Athleticism matters and Vaughn has none while Mayo actually does have some. I’m not buying that a 6’5” 230 pound 22 year old is going to stick in RF, if he fills out anymore as he gets older. Maybe you could hide him in LF. Regardless, I wouldn’t turn him down as the return but I’d be doing everything I could to keep him at 3B before considering 1B. Edited January 26 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think the likelihood he ends up at 1B is overblown. And while I’d prefer a savage all else being equal, Mayo has a truly elite ceiling offensively and the handedness is much less of an issue. He is way better prospect than Hjerstad or Westburg IMO. I'm admittedly less informed about his scouting report than others. If he can play a passable OF he instantly becomes more interesting. Honestly I'm hoping Mayo is only the ask so Getz can pivot to high end prospects Baltimore will actually part with. Edited January 26 by Tnetennba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not buying that a 6’5” 230 pound 22 year old is going to stick in RF, if he fills out anymore as he gets older. Maybe you could hide him in LF. Regardless, I wouldn’t turn him down as the return but I’d be doing everything I could to keep in at 3B before considering 1B. That’s totally fair. But I personally think Mayo has less 1B risk than Kjerstad does if that’s who you prefer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: That’s totally fair. But I personally think Mayo has less 1B risk than Kjerstad does if that’s who you prefer. Kjerstad has the obvious LH hitting advantage...but you have to take the better hitting prospect (overall) regardless and the arm strength at least makes him playable in LF, if not RF. Think Viciedo in 2012, obviously Mayo's a lot bigger/taller but Dayan had numerous assists that rookie year to take some of the pain away from his fielding skills or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 (edited) Player A: 22 years old 6’ 5”, 220 Lbs 50 Hit, 70 Power 45 Run, 70 Arm 50 Field (3B) 78 games (AA) 14.7% BB rate 24.8% K rate .296 ISO 30 2B 17 HR TBD fWAR (first 5 seasons) Player B: 22 years old 6’ 5”, 220 Lbs 50 Hit, 70 Power 45 Run, 60 Arm 50 Field (3B) 68 games (AA) 14.5% BB rate 25.9% K rate .347 ISO 20 2B 22 HR 28.4 fWAR (first 5 seasons) Edited January 26 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Baltimore won 100 games last season, but if you look at their individual stats, it doesn't look like a 100 win team. They could easily fall back to 85-90. And they were flattened in the playoffs. They have a lot of young players, but still need to sort through them. And Cease did have a less than stellar 2023. We're just more likely to get young talent from mature organizations like the Braves or Dodgers or the like. But they've probably made their moves. So, to state the obvious, it looks like June or July. Not ideal, but worth the risk (versus "settling") considering the lack of talent in this org. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 50 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Player A: 22 years old 6’ 5”, 220 Lbs 50 Hit, 70 Power 45 Run, 70 Arm 50 Field (3B) 78 games (AA) 14.7% BB rate 24.8% K rate .296 ISO 30 2B 17 HR TBD fWAR (first 5 seasons) Player B: 22 years old 6’ 5”, 220 Lbs 50 Hit, 70 Power 45 Run, 60 Arm 50 Field (3B) 68 games (AA) 14.5% BB rate 25.9% K rate .347 ISO 20 2B 22 HR 28.4 fWAR (first 5 seasons) Yeah because this is a fair comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 51 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Player B: 22 years old 6’ 5”, 220 Lbs 50 Hit, 70 Power 45 Run, 60 Arm 50 Field (3B) 68 games (AA) 14.5% BB rate 25.9% K rate .347 ISO 20 2B 22 HR 28.4 fWAR (first 5 seasons) Who is Corey Seagar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, hi8is said: Who is Corey Seagar? Thats Soto. Hes comparing the scouting numbers to a unicorn hall of Famer who was an MVP candidate at 19. You just don’t do that. If the guy comes up and immediately hits like a hall of Famer he will be fine in the OF, I agree. Also the Orioles should clearly hold onto a guy being compared to a sure fire hall of famer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Thats Soto. Hes comparing the scouting numbers to a unicorn hall of Famer who was an MVP candidate at 19. You just don’t do that. If the guy comes up and immediately hits like a hall of Famer he will be fine in the OF, I agree. Also the Orioles should clearly hold onto a guy being compared to a sure fire hall of famer. Juan Soto was a 6’ 5” 3B when he was in AA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Sox Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Thats Soto. Hes comparing the scouting numbers to a unicorn hall of Famer who was an MVP candidate at 19. You just don’t do that. If the guy comes up and immediately hits like a hall of Famer he will be fine in the OF, I agree. Also the Orioles should clearly hold onto a guy being compared to a sure fire hall of famer. Soto was a 3b in AA at age 22? it’s Bryant I’m pretty sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Better off comparing him to Basallo...and the likelihood of sticking at their intended positions, 3B and C? SportsGuy has already presented his slanted or biased report on Mayo's future abilities to play a corner OF spot, especially his "surprising" speed that's not a quick speed but more about top speed after he gets going like Avi Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Yeah because this is a fair comparison. What part of the comparison isn’t fair? I provided a certain prospect’s AA stats and scouting grades from this year vs. a player with a similar physique, scouting grades, and AA stats when he was the same age. Not suggesting Player A will become Player B, but I do believe the latter is a very interesting comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, Pale Sox said: Soto was a 3b in AA at age 22? it’s Bryant I’m pretty sure. Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What part of the comparison isn’t fair? I provided a certain prospect’s AA stats and scouting grades from this year vs. a player with a similar physique, scouting grades, and AA stats when he was the same age. Not suggesting Player A will become Player B, but I do believe the latter is a very interesting comp. Well, first of all somehow Bryant and Soto have almost exactly the same fWAR in their first 6 seasons, which is rather neat, that’s how I missed that. Now that I have this right - why isn’t player B the number 2 overall prospect in baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 to 1 anecdotal prospect comps are completely useless, no matter which direction you're arguing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Well, first of all somehow Bryant and Soto have almost exactly the same fWAR in their first 6 seasons, which is rather neat, that’s how I missed that. Now that I have this right - why isn’t player B the number 2 overall prospect in baseball? Because Player B lost his prospect status nine years ago? If you mean Mayo, again I’m not suggesting he will become Kris Bryant. The point I’m making is twofold though. First, guys with his size / frame aren’t automatically destined for 1B if they have some level of athleticism and in this case a double plus arm. Second, I think some people here don’t realize how good his offensive numbers were last year, especially for someone his age. I personally think he’s a 60 FV prospect even with positional uncertainty because the bat could be special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: 1 to 1 anecdotal prospect comps are completely useless, no matter which direction you're arguing in. I don’t follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t follow. Like Puig and Clemente, lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 With the prices remaining sky-high in the trade market for starters, the Orioles might consider looking more closely at free-agent starters. Corbin Burnes is almost surely staying in Milwaukee now, and Shane Bieber seems likely to stay in Cleveland, as well. The O’s talked a lot about Dylan Cease but still don’t seem close. The price for Cease is said by one GM (not Baltimore’s) to be “the sun and the moon.” Considering the dollar costs of free-agent starters, that may be about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t follow. You can’t pick one dude who has a handful of similar characteristics and expect it to be a meaningful comp. Whether it’s comping Mayo to Bryant or it’s comping every right handed hitting 1B to Andrew Vaughn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Thats Soto. Hes comparing the scouting numbers to a unicorn hall of Famer who was an MVP candidate at 19. You just don’t do that. Ah… truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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