January 24, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Id rather they spend all these suddenly available PUBLIC funds on fixing up areas where people already live. Maybe even building some grocery stores in areas where they have none, rather than building another area where people who already live in nice areas may move. Maybe if there is some left over, they can use it to try an lower the crime rates including murders, carjackings and armed robberies throughout the city. You hit the nail on the head and this is exactly why these things get funded with taxpayer dollars. They point to the revenue and tax dollars a large enterprise generates. If the Sox leave the city we won't have those dollars to fund the stuff that directly benefits the average resident. Or with this stadium the city will have all these extra dollars to spend on projects everyone wants. The projections always seem grossly optimistic but it's painted as an investment. Would you spend $10,000 in 2024 to make and extra $30,000 over the next five years?
January 24, 20242 yr 46 minutes ago, Texsox said: You hit the nail on the head and this is exactly why these things get funded with taxpayer dollars. They point to the revenue and tax dollars a large enterprise generates. If the Sox leave the city we won't have those dollars to fund the stuff that directly benefits the average resident. Or with this stadium the city will have all these extra dollars to spend on projects everyone wants. The projections always seem grossly optimistic but it's painted as an investment. Would you spend $10,000 in 2024 to make and extra $30,000 over the next five years? Buiding stadiums for billionaires and saying how it will benefit us all is the same exercise as trickle down economics. It never adds up in reality.
January 24, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Buiding stadiums for billionaires and saying how it will benefit us all is the same exercise as trickle down economics. It never adds up in reality. That's why I'm hoping that the stadium itself is funded privately, but the infrastructure is built up by the city / state. In reality there'll probably be some massive tax break for the stadium... and you're right - typically, these investments don't pan out if the municipality is doing anything more than infrastructure.
January 24, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Buiding stadiums for billionaires and saying how it will benefit us all is the same exercise as trickle down economics. It never adds up in reality The billionaires are still going to be billionaires. And, we’re going to pay the same taxes either way. We can either have an awesome ballpark and not have the potholes fixed, or not have a ballpark and not have the potholes fixed ?
January 24, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Buiding stadiums for billionaires and saying how it will benefit us all is the same exercise as trickle down economics. It never adds up in reality. Welcome to capitalism.
January 24, 20242 yr Author 10 hours ago, greg775 said: There's no way in hell our Sox are moving downtown. Book it. It's a stupid move bucking all trends regarding inner cities. You move to the suburbs or another city in another state. With gregs record of being wrong rivaling TLRs, this is very exciting to see.
January 24, 20242 yr All this stadium talk is nothing but a distraction to how bad this team is, and the fact that we don't know when it will get better.
January 24, 20242 yr 24 minutes ago, Highland said: All this stadium talk is nothing but a distraction to how bad this team is, and the fact that we don't know when it will get better. Agreed and I will NEVER be convinced that the timing was not coordinated.
January 24, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Worthy correction thanks I think it's more that the lease of the current ballpark is up in 5 years and they need to start applying leverage to the state to work on the deal. But it probably does ay a factor.
January 24, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said: Agreed and I will NEVER be convinced that the timing was not coordinated. Well, it worked ? Edited January 24, 20242 yr by ScootsMcGoots
January 24, 20242 yr 11 hours ago, greg775 said: There's no way in hell our Sox are moving downtown. Book it. It's a stupid move bucking all trends regarding inner cities. You move to the suburbs or another city in another state. You mean the “trend” of building downtown ballparks that’s been happening since oh 1989? The one with only a few odd outliers over the past 30 years? Let’s see, off the top of my head: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Philadelphia, & San Diego all abandoned the suburbs and moved into new parks in the city. SF, Seattle, StL, NYY, NYM, CWS, Minnesota, Tex, Hou all built new parks in their city. Washington moved and built a new park in the very limited space in the District of Columbia and not an outlying suburb. Oakland wanted to and tried to move downtown before new ownership held the franchise hostage. Atlanta is the only team I can think of that abandoned a downtown location and moved to suburbia in the past 30 years. This trend you speak of simply doesn’t exist in Major League Baseball. Edited January 24, 20242 yr by Tnetennba
January 24, 20242 yr Author 52 minutes ago, Highland said: All this stadium talk is nothing but a distraction to how bad this team is, and the fact that we don't know when it will get better. Is someone out there buying tickets because we might be building a stadium in years?
January 24, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: You mean the “trend” of building downtown ballparks that’s been happening since oh 1989? The one with only a few odd outliers over the past 30 years? Let’s see, off the top of my head: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Philadelphia, & San Diego all abandoned the suburbs and moved into new parks in the city. SF, Seattle, NYY, NYM, CWS, Minnesota, Tex, Hou all built new parks in their city. Washington moved and built a new park in the very limited space in the District of Columbia and not an outlying suburb. Oakland wanted to and tried to move downtown before new ownership held the franchise hostage. Atlanta is the only team I can think of that abandoned a downtown location and moved to suburbia in the past 30 years. This trend you speak of simply doesn’t exist in Major League Baseball. Ouch.
January 24, 20242 yr The A’s Las Vegas ballpark site is within the city limits too, yes? Not in Henderson or Boulder City or across the AZ border? But close to the tourist strip in very tiny Las Vegas, Nevada?
January 24, 20242 yr 58 minutes ago, Highland said: All this stadium talk is nothing but a distraction to how bad this team is, and the fact that we don't know when it will get better. Reinsdorf has owned this team for almost 45 years. He'd be building a new stadium for 40 of those 45 years if it meant distracting us from a bad product on the field.
January 24, 20242 yr 29 minutes ago, ptatc said: I think it's more that the lease of the current ballpark is up in 5 years and they need to start applying leverage to the state to work on the deal. But it probably does ay a factor. Is this in response to something I said?
January 24, 20242 yr 18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Is this in response to something I said? Nope. Sorry, clicked on the wrong one to reply.
January 24, 20242 yr If an agreement to extend the current Lease is made, a plan for a major remodeling of the existing park might be pursued. Not sure which plan would be architecturally/structurally/economically feasible, but I am sure there are plenty of ideas out there. I always thought removal of the entire 500 level would not hurt revenue much and then replacing seating capacity with upper tanks in the outfield w/Palladian arched openings on the back walls like Comiskey had. Maybe make the center field monitor a regular rectangle with metal arch or analog clock above. Anyway, I am sure there are a lot of ideas out there that would cost a lot less and be done several years before entering into a complicated deal to develop the black hole known as Area 78. I'd bet the bank that thing is never going to go.
January 24, 20242 yr Author 23 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: The A’s Las Vegas ballpark site is within the city limits too, yes? Not in Henderson or Boulder City or across the AZ border? But close to the tourist strip in very tiny Las Vegas, Nevada? HE'S DEAD ALREADY STOP BEATING HIM!
January 24, 20242 yr 32 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: You mean the “trend” of building downtown ballparks that’s been happening since oh 1989? The one with only a few odd outliers over the past 30 years? Let’s see, off the top of my head: Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Philadelphia, & San Diego all abandoned the suburbs and moved into new parks in the city. SF, Seattle, StL, NYY, NYM, CWS, Minnesota, Tex, Hou all built new parks in their city. Washington moved and built a new park in the very limited space in the District of Columbia and not an outlying suburb. Oakland wanted to and tried to move downtown before new ownership held the franchise hostage. Atlanta is the only team I can think of that abandoned a downtown location and moved to suburbia in the past 30 years. This trend you speak of simply doesn’t exist in Major League Baseball. I agree with your overall point but Baltimore (Memorial Stadium), Pittsburgh (Three Rivers) Cincinnati (Riverfront), Philly (Veterans), Detroit (Tigers Stadium), and Cleveland (Municipal) were all in the city and in three the new park was built in almost the same location as the old park. Unless you meant they abandoned plans for suburban parks? Either way, I think that reiterates your point even more: baseball has largely always been played in denser urban locations and it remains easily the dominant landscape for it today.
January 24, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: The A’s Las Vegas ballpark site is within the city limits too, yes? Not in Henderson or Boulder City or across the AZ border? But close to the tourist strip in very tiny Las Vegas, Nevada? Technically the Strip isn't in the City of Las Vegas.
January 24, 20242 yr Yep, and the Rangers were strategically placed halfway between Dallas & Ft. Worth.
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