WestEddy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is more than your simple hand wave. We can see what we have in the system and who is left to trade. We also have decades of free agent history here to base future expectations off of. We also know we trail all but one ALCentral team in MiLB systems in the vast majority of the system rankings, which is also important to note here, as it means we aren't just chasing 40-50 games now, we are also behind in future expectations. If anything the idea that everything will just work out is the one that seems suspect. But if your system's ranked top 6, and 3 other divisional systems are ranked anywhere between 1-8, you're really not that far "behind". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I guess what I’m saying is the best case outcome for us is a rotation of Martin, Cannon, Burke, Smith, & Thorpe with Perez, Wilson, & Gilbert in the bullpen. It’s very possible or even likely one of those first five guys struggles, but we won’t know until they’re given a chance. I’d much rather see the low ceiling vets get forced to the bullpen and make starts when needed vs. vice versa. I don't disagree in concept but after last year they are going to try to win at least some. Building a pitching staff if all things are relatively equal will usually lend itself to adding the variety. Im not saying I necessarily agree but that's what teams usually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 25 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Pretty thorough analysis of the OD roster by SoxMachine: Podcast: How is the 2025 White Sox 26-man roster shaking out Josh Nelson not thinking Sosa would make the OD roster until recently is quite the miss as well. At least Fegan & Margulas outlined why he should get a shot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, ptatc said: That would be interesting. That's a good deal of pressure on a rookie. We've seen what playing rookies away from their natural positions has done in the past. Hopefully, it won't be for too long. Meidroth played a lot of SS last year. I don’t think it will be that unnatural for him, just more that he lacks the range to likely be a long-term option at SS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 14 minutes ago, ptatc said: I still disagree. You can say history if FA signings but didn't they set the record for a contract with Albert Belle? Besides I'm not talking about a massive signing filling in with good players when they have budget space and a good pitching staff. I think the budget space is the key. If the best example of a quality free agent signing happened a generation and a half ago, I think that makes that argument for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Meidroth played a lot of SS last year. I don’t think it will be that unnatural for him, just more that he lacks the range to likely be a long-term option at SS. That's what I mean. His position for the MLB. Don't want him taking those defensive struggles to the plate if he isn't at least decent out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 15 minutes ago, WestEddy said: But if your system's ranked top 6, and 3 other divisional systems are ranked anywhere between 1-8, you're really not that far "behind". You are chasing 40 to 50 games in this division AND you are behind in the quickest way to catch them. Yes, you are that far behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If the best example of a quality free agent signing happened a generation and a half ago, I think that makes that argument for me. I disagree. It shows they do spend when they think the are ready to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 17 minutes ago, WestEddy said: But if your system's ranked top 6, and 3 other divisional systems are ranked anywhere between 1-8, you're really not that far "behind". Sure you are when they also have a major league roster full of actual big leaguers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: I disagree. It shows they do spend when they think the are ready to. And the history shows it will be mid tier players who don't get us over the top. But keep handwaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You are chasing 40 to 50 games in this division AND you are behind in the quickest way to catch them. Yes, you are that far behind. I don't consider being 2 slots behind another team in subjective farm system rankings to be "behind" in player development. They're basically equal. Now, as for the 40-50 games part, yes, they are behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And the history shows it will be mid tier players who don't get us over the top. But keep handwaving. There is an alt universe where we sign one of Machado or Bryce, add a big SP and make a WS and become a fun, destination type club. Instead we got...this s%*#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: There is an alt universe where we sign one of Machado or Bryce, add a big SP and make a WS and become a fun, destination type club. Instead we got...this s%*#. Wheeler & Harper instead of Keuchel, Leury, Pollack, setup men, etc… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And the history shows it will be mid tier players who don't get us over the top. But keep handwaving. Handwaving? Does that mean saying history people? Nice attacking the opinion instead of talking about the issues. Good distraction. Historcally, how often does the team have a payroll not in the top half of the league? That leaves a lot of room to get many players to build a good team. Edited March 11 by ptatc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Wheeler & Harper instead of Keuchel, Leury, Pollack, setup men, etc… The middle of that crap sandwich is exactly as you noted. Not only did we not spend big on excellent players, we spent too much on crap players including for some strange reason a bunch of relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, ptatc said: Handwaving? Does that mean saying history people? Nice attacking the opinion instead of talking about the issues. Good distraction. Historcally, how often does the team have a payroll not in the top half of the league? That leaves a lot of room to get many players to build a good team. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I disagree. That is actually your best reason yet. We do disagree. We both have reasons for our views. Some are just better than others. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I don't understand why Nelson is upset about him not making the team. He missed like 8 games. I thought everyone wanted them to stop rushing people? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 19 minutes ago, ptatc said: Handwaving? Does that mean saying history people? Nice attacking the opinion instead of talking about the issues. Good distraction. Historcally, how often does the team have a payroll not in the top half of the league? That leaves a lot of room to get many players to build a good team. Pretty clear what's happened here the last 10 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 34 minutes ago, ptatc said: I still disagree. You can say history if FA signings but didn't they set the record for a contract with Albert Belle? Besides I'm not talking about a massive signing filling in with good players when they have budget space and a good pitching staff. I think the budget space is the key. Albert Belle's contract was almost 30 years ago. It would be silly to hold that up as some shining example, since it was probably the last time JR paid top dollar for a premiere FA. It is the outlier, and not JR's norm. We don't know when, or if, Jerry will approve of a higher overall budget again either. History up until the past few seasons suggests he will, but with the Ishbia news, Jerry very well might want to keep payrolls low as team control changes hands. None of us know how he will operate for the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 18 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I don't understand why Nelson is upset about him not making the team. He missed like 8 games. I thought everyone wanted them to stop rushing people? They are morons on that site who just like to b****. This is the least shocking news ever. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, ptatc said: That is actually your best reason yet. We do disagree. We both have reasons for our views. Some are just better than others. 😀 I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 20 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I don't understand why Nelson is upset about him not making the team. He missed like 8 games. I thought everyone wanted them to stop rushing people? I don't get it either. He didn't earn the job, and hasn't been healthy. Nothing about the season he had last year should override that thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: They are morons on that site who just like to b****. This is the least shocking news ever. You put it a little more harshly than I would, but yea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 29 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I don't understand why Nelson is upset about him not making the team. He missed like 8 games. I thought everyone wanted them to stop rushing people? The Twitter meltdown is quite amusing. I get there is theoretical draft compensation if he places top two in ROY or top three in MVP voting, but there is zero reason to expect that at the moment. He simply needs more time in AAA to show he’s even ready for a shot. Glad that Getz sent him down early to avoid any chance of this becoming a debate again towards the end of camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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