Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, T R U said: I agree Robert has been more valuable in his career. Santander got the contract he did because of the season he had, if Robert hits the market this offseason, his last two seasons are not good baseball. That's why Santander got the contract he did. I also don't agree that picking up his option is a disaster, but im not the one you need to convince about that. If the White Sox were giving Robert away for free, with the contract, he would have been traded months ago. The idea that he's not worth his contract throughout the league doesn't hold up for me. Teams are arguing as to what he's worth in addition to his contract --- maybe it's 6 million in surplus, maybe it's 4, maybe it's 8. It's less than the Sox want, but it's certainly not zero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: I think the argument is we aren't necessarily getting nothing if they are picking up the option. What are the odds of JR agreeing to that though? That's the key question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: To me that's not the point, the O's got SOMETHING which is better than nothing (unless JR has a dramatic change of heart. Do you honestly think that likely?) Mullin's had an option? He doesn't. He's walking for sure. Luis is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I'm talking just about Robert in this situation. Yeah, I agree I wouldn't give Robert away for nothing. He has future value in this league, and he's not worthless to the White Sox. As I already noted, he's by far the most exciting player on their roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Baron said: Mullin's had an option? He doesn't. He's walking for sure. Luis is not. JR says, "See you the day after the season ends...my friend!" 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If the White Sox were giving Robert away for free, with the contract, he would have been traded months ago. The idea that he's not worth his contract throughout the league doesn't hold up for me. Teams are arguing as to what he's worth in addition to his contract --- maybe it's 6 million in surplus, maybe it's 4, maybe it's 8. It's less than the Sox want, but it's certainly not zero. If the "Contract" is the problem, then pick up cash and get a deal done. This situation isn't good for anyone. Dude is obviously not performing here, and betting on him AGAIN just seems like the most obvious fail ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I have a conflict of interest in that I watch nearly every game the White Sox play and I still prefer to see Luis Robert over Brooks Baldwin and co. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: What are the odds of JR agreeing to that though? That's the key question. If he is still on the roster as of the deadline, then it means they got the OK to pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: If he is still on the roster as of the deadline, then it means they got the OK to pick it up. There really is no point in debating it with Lip. Whatever the Sox do, it was the wrong decision. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Doubt the Dodgers are interested… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: There really is no point in debating it with Lip. Whatever the Sox do, it was the wrong decision. If the Sox give Robert his buyout after this season, that is when we will know Getz made a mistake. Anything is better than nothing at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If the "Contract" is the problem, then pick up cash and get a deal done. This situation isn't good for anyone. Dude is obviously not performing here, and betting on him AGAIN just seems like the most obvious fail ever. The owner would rather jump off a cliff before he includes cash in a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, Jake said: I have a conflict of interest in that I watch nearly every game the White Sox play and I still prefer to see Luis Robert over Brooks Baldwin and co. If I was watching, I'd be screaming as loudly not to trade him as I was about Crochet last year (who I was actually watching). This is entertainment after all, and getting rid of all the entertaining players makes it... well, less entertaining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If I was watching, I'd be screaming as loudly not to trade him as I was about Crochet last year (who I was actually watching). This is entertainment after all, and getting rid of all the entertaining players makes it... well, less entertaining. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 26 minutes ago, fathom said: Kwan deal soon? Do you think there’s a chance? Are they going at him? He makes the most sense for them and I’m surprised by the lack of their moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If I was watching, I'd be screaming as loudly not to trade him as I was about Crochet last year (who I was actually watching). This is entertainment after all, and getting rid of all the entertaining players makes it... well, less entertaining. To me "entertaining" isn't the most important thing. Finding pieces to actually have a decent team sometime this decade would be much more entertaining, at least for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If the White Sox were giving Robert away for free, with the contract, he would have been traded months ago. The idea that he's not worth his contract throughout the league doesn't hold up for me. Teams are arguing as to what he's worth in addition to his contract --- maybe it's 6 million in surplus, maybe it's 4, maybe it's 8. It's less than the Sox want, but it's certainly not zero. No one said its zero, but valuable players get traded. Other teams discussed trades for Robert with the White Sox and declined to meet the White Sox asking price. Not because he will cost 20M next year, but because he hasn't been very good for the last two seasons. I am aware if the Sox wanted to move him no matter what, they could have. Other teams look at the price and the ask, and politely declined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Willie Castro to the cubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Is that the first move the Cubs have made? Fathom was hyping them as buying everyone, but I can’t think of whoppers for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Is that the first move the Cubs have made? Fathom was hyping them as buying everyone, but I can’t think of whoppers for them. They grabbed Mike Soroka yesterday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: To me "entertaining" isn't the most important thing. Finding pieces to actually have a decent team sometime this decade would be much more entertaining, at least for me. Of course, but I don't personally trust Getz to find equal value for these assets, so I'd rather keep the known pieces that are here and hope the rest fills in around it and maybe they spend some money and/or hit on some drafts for once. If Robert's value is really suppressed, I know I wouldn't personally move him because I find his true talent point to be higher. I also understand moving him given his performance so I wasn't going to be too critical of a return barring something that looked like a salary dump. I agree with another posts take that Robert needs lineup protection to excel -- it's something I've come to consider over the last 15 months. He's a mistake hitter who can be taken advantage of when he's worked around, but when you have to go after him he's much more successful. Either way, that catch and jump he got the other night in the right center gap was what makes him so good and fun regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Cubs grabbed another reliever too in addition to Soroka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Jake said: They grabbed Mike Soroka yesterday Thanks. Not a huge move IMO, would have expected them to be bolder this deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie for Manager Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 In 24 minutes we can all accept the nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 37 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Getz once again master-classed by the league, again. He's really, really bad at this deadline stuff. He didn’t trade Robert for trash, so I don’t think he’s been master-classed at all. This board and most Sox fans would have exploded with fury if he traded Robert for a Mullins-like return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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