WestEddy Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 38 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Did they lose one because of the Wilder fiasco I believe they forfeited it for signing Adam Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I hope that the Sox sign Houser on a one or two year deal. He is the clear Ace of the staff now and should be next season. He has only gotten better and is fastball is even up 2mph. Trading him when he only he has a few months of control will draw interest from the top contending teams, but ,,,,they may not value him as much as teams would next season if he is under contract and the Sox could also decide to keep him if he keeps dealing. If the Sox want to stop losing a record number of games, start by spending money on this pitcher. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Falstaff said: Bannister is having success I agree 100%. But this only helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 21 minutes ago, tray said: I hope that the Sox sign Houser on a one or two year deal. He is the clear Ace of the staff now and should be next season. He has only gotten better and is fastball is even up 2mph. Trading him when he only he has a few months of control will draw interest from the top contending teams, but ,,,,they may not value him as much as teams would next season if he is under contract and the Sox could also decide to keep him if he keeps dealing. If the Sox want to stop losing a record number of games, start by spending money on this pitcher. They clearly have an interesting decision on their hands don't they? Guess it depends on what is being offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 He should be traded before his next start. He should nab a decent prospect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 13 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said: He should be traded before his next start. He should nab a decent prospect. I wonder if we packaged him with a good reliever like Booser or Wilson (really anyone in the BP except for Taylor) plus Tauchman, whether we could get Owen Caissie (sp) from the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie for Manager Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 40 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said: He should be traded before his next start. He should nab a decent prospect. Agreed. 9 starts with all 3 Earned runs or less. 5 of 9 with 1 or 0 runs. Last 3 games 7 innings. 8 innings and 7 innings. He is at his peak. 1 earned run last 22 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Nice call, dumb ass. I get 'em wrong plenty, but this was an all-time miss. Houser has looked really good, and not smoke and mirrors either. To be fair, can’t really be blamed for thinking he wouldn’t be anything other than an innings eater. He hasn’t really been that special in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, tray said: I hope that the Sox sign Houser on a one or two year deal. He is the clear Ace of the staff now and should be next season. He has only gotten better and is fastball is even up 2mph. Trading him when he only he has a few months of control will draw interest from the top contending teams, but ,,,,they may not value him as much as teams would next season if he is under contract and the Sox could also decide to keep him if he keeps dealing. If the Sox want to stop losing a record number of games, start by spending money on this pitcher. I doubt Houser wants to sign an extension right now instead of riding his hot streak to potentially more quality starts and more millions as a free agent in the offseason. And as a free agent, there’s no guarantee he will resign with the Sox. Trade him at his peak value for a prospect or two and try to bring him back in the offseason if you still want him. Anything else makes no sense. If he continues to excel, you can still try to bring him back. If you manage to extend him now and he tanks in the second half of the season, you are stuck with an old mediocre starter in your rotation for next season. Edited July 10 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, SoCalChiSox said: I wonder if we packaged him with a good reliever like Booser or Wilson (really anyone in the BP except for Taylor) plus Tauchman, whether we could get Owen Caissie (sp) from the Cubs. where are they gonna get that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 What will he cost to extend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 If you credit the Sox with this improvement (including velo uptick), you might think about something like the Fedde deal, but the JR of 2025 only thinks about future cash on the books, and Houser’s age and extreme outlying stats compared to his entire career would make trading him now the obvious choice. While there’s the danger of blocking him by occupying a rotation spot in 2026…it’s also far from a sure thing that even Schultz and Hagen Smith are automatic 1-2 TOR starters at this point. Martin Cannon Smith and Burke all look more like 4-5 guys, with occasional hot streaks and slumps (see Smith inevitably wearing down) thrown in for good measure. At any rate, the perpetual rebuild continues. It’s going to take the handful of pitchers who went down to TJS the better part of next season just to get back to where they were. Can we please just hire everyone from the Brewers’/Rays’ staffs not nailed down and really come up with a realistic plan to compete with a true small market mentality??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 22 minutes ago, oldsox said: What will he cost to extend? JR won’t even think about it…but the Fedde deal of slightly more w/ $15-17 million for two years and an option would be “okay.” The problem is he would probably prefer going to a contender and has made enough money in his career he can afford to roll the dice with this current hot streak he’s on and let it all play out. Buying high on journeyman vets in their 30’s experiencing velocity increases usually don’t end up well..although there aren’t tons of examples here to compare to in Sox history. Maybe Esteban Loiaza’s 2003 and Jose Contreras 2005-May 2006. Edited July 10 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Extend Houser? Why? So he can pitch on a couple of more 100 loss team seasons? Trade him for the highest offer and look for the next project. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Extend Houser? Why? So he can pitch on a couple of more 100 loss team seasons? Trade him for the highest offer and look for the next project. Yep. Even if he puts together a totally improbable Jake Arrieta-like run for the next 3 seasons, he’ll be cooked by the time the Sox are decent (hopefully ). Makes no sense to hang onto him for even 1 more start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 2.5 bWAR in only 8 games pitched (before tonight's game). Dude has been unbelievable. I wonder if we can get anything good for him, or if Getz is going to get bent over and reamed like the Fedde-Kopech trade. Edited July 10 by ron883 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 53 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Extend Houser? Why? So he can pitch on a couple of more 100 loss team seasons? Trade him for the highest offer and look for the next project. Only would be worth it if he miraculously keeps it up and is signed to a friendly deal. Then he'd being back even more, but it's risky and improbable. In Getz I trust. Edited July 10 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I doubt Houser wants to sign an extension right now instead of riding his hot streak to potentially more quality starts and more millions as a free agent in the offseason. And as a free agent, there’s no guarantee he will resign with the Sox. Trade him at his peak value for a prospect or two and try to bring him back in the offseason if you still want him. Anything else makes no sense. If he continues to excel, you can still try to bring him back. If you manage to extend him now and he tanks in the second half of the season, you are stuck with an old mediocre starter in your rotation for next season. He could easily go back to being s%*# and flame out. Probably more likely. He's over 30 and on a hot streak. Personally I'd sign and be set for life if it was me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: To be fair, can’t really be blamed for thinking he wouldn’t be anything other than an innings eater. He hasn’t really been that special in his career. To be fair people trying to be the brightest bulb in the lighthouse declaring nondescript pickups to suck aren't really going out on a limb . Around here going out on a limb is saying I hope that he can give the Sox what they are hoping to get from him even if it seems unlikely from our observation point in the very cheap seats when most are making fun of any transaction and the people making them. Edited July 10 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, ron883 said: He could easily go back to being s%*# and flame out. Probably more likely. He's over 30 and on a hot streak. Personally I'd sign and be set for life if it was me. Maybe . Not many pitcher who aren't already established as great pitchers can go on a 9 game run of Greg Maddyx type pitching. He's right up there with Skenes, Skubal, Ranger Suarez and Wheeler among the best ERAs in baseball since they got him. We talk about getting better scouting there's examples all around us with Vasil, Shane Smith, Houser, Civale hasn't been bad. Perez got off to a great start before he got hurt. Those are all pretty good finds from the Rule 5 and dealing in season keeping your nose to the grindstone probably hearing Houser had started doing things to get in the best shape of his career as far as diet and exercise and it paid off for him with upticks in velocity ,movement and command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 58 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: To be fair people trying to be the brightest bulb in the lighthouse declaring nondescript pickups to suck aren't really going out on a limb . Around here going out on a limb is saying I hope that he can give the Sox what they are hoping to get from him even if it seems unlikely from our observation point in the very cheap seats when most are making fun of any transaction and the people making them. Huh? I didn’t say he was going out on a limb lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 2 hours ago, ron883 said: He could easily go back to being s%*# and flame out. Probably more likely. He's over 30 and on a hot streak. Personally I'd sign and be set for life if it was me. This is true as well. I just don’t think he’s worth extending at age 33. If he was a few years younger, sure, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I think Houser's been a bit lucky, but some of the improvements might be real. He gained about 1.5 MPH on his 4 seamer. His spinrates on his sinker and 4 seamer are both up around 100 RPM. Seeing how he throws those like 60% of the time, I can see how it would make a difference. He switched around his slider and curveball usage and is getting much better results because of it (they killed his breaking pitches last year). His expected stats and BABIP all say he's been lucky, but very few pitchers can put up a 1.6 ERA and not be considered lucky. I think he's this year's version of Erick Fedde, just maybe a bit luckier thus far. Hopefully we get more than a Miguel Vargas-type player for him at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 hours ago, ron883 said: He could easily go back to being s%*# and flame out. Probably more likely. He's over 30 and on a hot streak. Personally I'd sign and be set for life if it was me. HE has already made a lot more money in his career than you would imagine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I am confident that Bannister is already eyeing next season's rehab project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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