Lip Man 1 Posted yesterday at 01:48 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:48 AM Brad Biggs' the Tribune Bears beat writer offers his thoughts: "Seriously, as best I understand the situation, the Bears are eyeing the possibility of putting up a stadium in Hammond. Either that or before lawmakers return to Springfield in 2026, the team is attempting a leverage play as it seeks public funding for infrastructure around Arlington Heights that could approach $1 billion as well as tax breaks. “This is not about leverage,” Warren wrote in the letter. If you have to say it’s not about leverage, it’s only about leverage. The franchise’s stadium pursuit has become such a flip-flop operation, at this point it’s literally all over the map. Pick a town, any town." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted yesterday at 04:02 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:02 PM And to bring this full circle, thanks to watching some PBS/Geoffrey Baer, DYK that the Chicago Bears Soldier Field was built on a (wait for it... wait for it...) literal garbage landfill as it was originally about 150 yards into Lake Michigan, but was where people dumped their trash during the early years of Chicago. They drove pilings through the trash piles and into bedrock to anchor the stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted yesterday at 04:05 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:05 PM 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And to bring this full circle, thanks to watching some PBS/Geoffrey Baer, DYK that the Chicago Bears Soldier Field was built on a (wait for it... wait for it...) literal garbage landfill as it was originally about 150 yards into Lake Michigan, but was where people dumped their trash during the early years of Chicago. They drove pilings through the trash piles and into bedrock to anchor the stadium. Was it "trash", or debris from the Chicago Fire? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted yesterday at 04:09 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:09 PM 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Was it "trash", or debris from the Chicago Fire? According to Popular Mechanics it was a Streeter garbage dump. This is is someone copying the original article which is paywalled. https://theyawningchasm.com/2021/08/02/the-pungent-history-of-americas-garbage-mountains/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted yesterday at 05:07 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:07 PM I support the Bears moving to NWI. Hammond makes a lot of sense. Arlington Heights is not that convenient for me or most Sox fans. North siders will just have to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted yesterday at 06:18 PM Share Posted yesterday at 06:18 PM 1 hour ago, Green Line said: I support the Bears moving to NWI. Hammond makes a lot of sense. Arlington Heights is not that convenient for me or most Sox fans. North siders will just have to deal with it. I'm told the Bears are meeting with the Indiana officials on January 6. I would think if Indiana comes up with the money package the Bears are looking for and Illinois doesn't, the Bears will go to Indiana. The latest thing I've heard is the Bears should try to purchase Soldier Field from the Park District , knock it down and build the dome stadium at the site. I think we're going to find out soon what the Bears are going to do. They want to start building the new stadium in 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted yesterday at 06:54 PM Share Posted yesterday at 06:54 PM (edited) 36 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I'm told the Bears are meeting with the Indiana officials on January 6. I would think if Indiana comes up with the money package the Bears are looking for and Illinois doesn't, the Bears will go to Indiana. The latest thing I've heard is the Bears should try to purchase Soldier Field from the Park District , knock it down and build the dome stadium at the site. I think we're going to find out soon what the Bears are going to do. They want to start building the new stadium in 2026. If the Bears go to Indiana it will be just like the Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey. They are still the New York teams and the Bears will still be Chicago's team. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this (nor will I lose any sleep over the "reports" the Sox are moving to Nashville!) 🤡 The Bears will get the cooperation from Illinois politicians when they come up with a way to pay off the outstanding money still owed from the renovations in 2002 not before that's been made very clear in published statements to the media. Edited yesterday at 06:55 PM by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted yesterday at 07:07 PM Share Posted yesterday at 07:07 PM 17 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Brad Biggs' the Tribune Bears beat writer offers his thoughts: "Seriously, as best I understand the situation, the Bears are eyeing the possibility of putting up a stadium in Hammond. Either that or before lawmakers return to Springfield in 2026, the team is attempting a leverage play as it seeks public funding for infrastructure around Arlington Heights that could approach $1 billion as well as tax breaks. “This is not about leverage,” Warren wrote in the letter. If you have to say it’s not about leverage, it’s only about leverage. The franchise’s stadium pursuit has become such a flip-flop operation, at this point it’s literally all over the map. Pick a town, any town." Jerry is probably impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted yesterday at 07:11 PM Share Posted yesterday at 07:11 PM Dome football is awful. So is dome baseball. I think the Bears should stay where they are. The new stadium isnt for the fans, its just so greedy owners can have more luxury boxes. Same for Sox.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted yesterday at 07:55 PM Share Posted yesterday at 07:55 PM 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: And to bring this full circle, thanks to watching some PBS/Geoffrey Baer, DYK that the Chicago Bears Soldier Field was built on a (wait for it... wait for it...) literal garbage landfill as it was originally about 150 yards into Lake Michigan, but was where people dumped their trash during the early years of Chicago. They drove pilings through the trash piles and into bedrock to anchor the stadium. Yep, I watched the most recent Geoffrey Baer lakefront show and Michigan Ave was right on the lakefront in the mid-1800s. There's a discussion about this beginning at around 5:25 in the video below. Later in the show, they talk about the whole Streeterville area that was basically a sandbar. But it doesn't matter how many times this is explained. One particular poster will continue to throw a tantrum whenever someone suggests that a structure can be built on the 78. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 21 hours ago, Green Line said: Dome football is awful. So is dome baseball. I think the Bears should stay where they are. The new stadium isnt for the fans, its just so greedy owners can have more luxury boxes. Same for Sox.0 That's been the criticism of the current Sox stadium for 35 years. That's why there are 3 luxury levels before you even get to row 1 of the upper deck at Rate Field. A new Sox stadium would almost certainly not have a 21 row hike to upper deck seats. Edited 4 hours ago by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago The Chiefs have announced that they are moving across state lines and into a new domed stadium and mixed-use district on the Kansas side of the KC metro area. It'll be in Kansas City, Kansas. There is currently a speedway, a casino, and a shopping mall at that location. https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/live-updates-kansas-officials-set-to-review-financing-plan-for-chiefs-stadium The Chiefs have been at Arrowhead Stadium since 1972, just about as long as the Bears have been at Soldier Field (1971). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: The Chiefs have announced that they are moving across state lines and into a new domed stadium and mixed-use district on the Kansas side of the KC metro area. It'll be in Kansas City, Kansas. There is currently a speedway, a casino, and a shopping mall at that location. https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/live-updates-kansas-officials-set-to-review-financing-plan-for-chiefs-stadium The Chiefs have been at Arrowhead Stadium since 1972, just about as long as the Bears have been at Soldier Field (1971). Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs. Edited 17 hours ago by WBWSF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs. Does it matter? Seriously. How about the Hammond Steel Bears? 😆 The Giants play in new jersey they are still called the New York Giants a la the New York Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: If the Bears go to Indiana it will be just like the Giants and Jets playing in New Jersey. They are still the New York teams and the Bears will still be Chicago's team. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this (nor will I lose any sleep over the "reports" the Sox are moving to Nashville!) 🤡 The Bears will get the cooperation from Illinois politicians when they come up with a way to pay off the outstanding money still owed from the renovations in 2002 not before that's been made very clear in published statements to the media. What would be the negative economic impact for Illinois if the Bears left Chicago for Northwest Indiana? Who would be a good source to talk about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 4 minutes ago, The Beast said: What would be the negative economic impact for Illinois if the Bears left Chicago for Northwest Indiana? Who would be a good source to talk about this? Crain's Business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs. That would be idiotic. Almost as idiotic as KCK Chiefs. Most of that city is like East St Louis. Then you have Johnson County suburbs and Wyandotte "countryside"...which is where they would be in actuality. Edited 15 hours ago by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 2 hours ago, WBWSF said: Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs. The reported location of their new stadium will be in the municipality of Kansas City, Kansas. Why would they drop "City" from their name when their home field will be literally in a town named Kansas City? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 8 hours ago, WBWSF said: Once the Chiefs move to Kansas, I wonder if they're going to still be called the Kansas City Chiefs or the Kansas Chiefs. The Kansas City Chiefs of Kansas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 34 minutes ago, JoeC said: The Kansas City Chiefs of Kansas. Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly spiked the football and said the move shows her that Kansas is ready to play on the country's big stage. “Today we are announcing an agreement to bring our beloved Kansas City Chiefs right here to Kansas," she told reporters in Topeka. "For the rest of the nation, I say take heed. Kansas is not a flyover state. We are a touchdown state.” SIGH. Politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Burke's command absolutely is the problem. The issue with most pitch metrics when used without proper content is they leads you down the wrong lesson path. Burke raw stuff is solid, but he commands it so poorly, mainly by wasting a lot of non competitive pitches far out of the zone that he overcompensates by throwing strikes. His zone % is actually quite high (he throws a lot of strikes). Pair his inconsistent fastball velocity with poor command and you get into a situation where you throw a lot of avg fastballs down the middle of the plate to prevent a walk. He's throwing a lot of strikes but usually with fastballs behind in the count, which had a tendency to get hit hard. He's had individual games where his fastball sits at 97 and his swing strike rates on the curveball is absolutely elite. There's a lot to work with there, but poor command like this usually ends with a guy finding his way into the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 9 hours ago, The Beast said: What would be the negative economic impact for Illinois if the Bears left Chicago for Northwest Indiana? Who would be a good source to talk about this? There has to be a positive for a state like Kansas to welcome the Chiefs. They view the Chiefs as an asset. I'm assuming Indiana view the Bears as an asset. I saw where they are already doing studies in Hammond for the stadium. Looks like Hammond is the spot for the new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 5 minutes ago, WBWSF said: There has to be a positive for a state like Kansas to welcome the Chiefs. They view the Chiefs as an asset. I'm assuming Indiana view the Bears as an asset. I saw where they are already doing studies in Hammond for the stadium. Looks like Hammond is the spot for the new stadium. I know Hammond's Mayor decently well. He will give away the farm to get the Bears there. Literally anything he can do, he will. I would also bet money that our Governor would back up the truck for something like this, as we love giving billions in abatements and relief to things like data centers, which provide little to no jobs and economic activity, so a football team wouldn't be much different. I don't know how much the Bears want to leave Chicago, but I will promise you that Indiana will bribe the hell out of them to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago I read where the KC Royals have bought land in Kansas. Losing a baseball team and football team in KC can't be a positive thing for that city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Does it matter? Seriously. How about the Hammond Steel Bears? 😆 The Giants play in new jersey they are still called the New York Giants a la the New York Jets. You can still easily get to Jets/Giants games via public transit from NYC. Takes me just as long to get to Yankees Stadium or Citi Field. Unless everyone thinks Indiana is gonna dump an astounding amount of capital into public transit, that's not gonna be the case for the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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