soxfan49 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) Smith is struggling to throw strikes, Schultz isn't as good this year, Montgomery took a step back and somehow got promoted, Teel is struggling, Vargas' hot streak is over, Quero is likely never going to move the needle, and Meidroth is JAG (if I'm wrong here, so be it. I admittedly haven't paid much attention this year or last because I'm so burnt out with this franchise) Knowing the organization won't be spending a ton of money in the next few years, what is the path here? They once had Moncada, Cease, Kopech, Robert, Giolito, etc and they stunk Right now things are very bleak. How do they EVER become consistently competitive? Edited July 13 by soxfan49 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 We are all waiting for one specific thing to happen. Not much else to do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 At some point the prospects have to evolve into the everyday players we project them to be. They aren’t gonna be signing big contract players any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 14 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: At some point the prospects have to evolve into the everyday players we project them to be. They aren’t gonna be signing big contract players any time soon Yeah we can start to talk when once we have a group that isn't the worst group of position players in baseball and maybe something towards mediocre instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: At some point the prospects have to evolve into the everyday players we project them to be. They aren’t gonna be signing big contract players any time soon Well that seems to be the only solution right now which I acknowledge, and albeit it being early, does anyone have confidence that any of those guys in paragraph #1 are going to be superstars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: At some point the prospects have to evolve into the everyday players we project them to be. They aren’t gonna be signing big contract players any time soon Some make rash judgements and pronounce them as failures. Unfortunately I did not play in AAA and made it to the majors to elaborate more on that. The sad part is the ones who devolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 14 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Smith is struggling to throw strikes, Schultz isn't as good this year, Montgomery took a step back and somehow got promoted, Teel is struggling, Vargas' hot streak is over, Quero is likely never going to move the needle, and Meidroth is JAG (if I'm wrong here, so be it. I admittedly haven't paid much attention this year or last because I'm so burnt out with this franchise) Knowing the organization won't be spending a ton of money in the next few years, what is the path here? They once had Moncada, Cease, Kopech, Robert, Giolito, etc and they stunk Right now things are very bleak. How do they EVER become consistently competitive? After May and June I was feeling pretty good as the kids looked pretty good but now it seems like they have all regressed and I’m almost as depressed as last year. Venable as someone said earlier manages the club like it’s Spring Training, I wanted them to bring an experienced manager, not a rookie. I’ve never been a fan of Katz, I don’t think Thames is the answer as hitting coach. Yes things are bleak and the answer to your question is that they will not be competitive until Reinsdorf finally sells to Ishbia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 26 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Smith is struggling to throw strikes, Schultz isn't as good this year, Montgomery took a step back and somehow got promoted, Teel is struggling, Vargas' hot streak is over, Quero is likely never going to move the needle, and Meidroth is JAG (if I'm wrong here, so be it. I admittedly haven't paid much attention this year or last because I'm so burnt out with this franchise) Knowing the organization won't be spending a ton of money in the next few years, what is the path here? They once had Moncada, Cease, Kopech, Robert, Giolito, etc and they stunk Right now things are very bleak. How do they EVER become consistently competitive? Jerry goes bye bye? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I remember Lawrence Holmes said for a Sox player to be successful is to leave the organization. The real work for the next owner is to remove the cancer this organization is. It wont happen overnight. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Starts at the top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 20 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Smith is struggling to throw strikes, Schultz isn't as good this year, Montgomery took a step back and somehow got promoted, Teel is struggling, Vargas' hot streak is over, Quero is likely never going to move the needle, and Meidroth is JAG (if I'm wrong here, so be it. I admittedly haven't paid much attention this year or last because I'm so burnt out with this franchise) Knowing the organization won't be spending a ton of money in the next few years, what is the path here? They once had Moncada, Cease, Kopech, Robert, Giolito, etc and they stunk Right now things are very bleak. How do they EVER become consistently competitive? It is hard to even imagine the Sox winning another one in the next few decades. That is why those of us that remember the 2005 WS cherish it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 49 minutes ago, tray said: It is hard to even imagine the Sox winning another one in the next few decades. That is why those of us that remember the 2005 WS cherish it. I’m old and 1959 is also a cherished year and in some respects more cherished because they were my boyhood heroes and I idolized guys like Fox, Pierce and Aparicio. I was 59 in 2005 and and it was a great year and was so thankful I saw my team finally go all the way but It was just not the same as when you were a 13 year old, yes that 59 team is still my favorite Sox team of all time. Edited July 13 by The Mighty Mite 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 12 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Yes things are bleak and the answer to your question is that they will not be competitive until Reinsdorf finally sells to Ishbia. Wait, JR by his own description of his role moving forward is nothing more than a place holder or figurehead. Ishbia has control over the team NOW and is free to invest in it NOW according to the deal described by JR. Where is Ishbia ? Has he even showed up anywhere to speak to fans or even to the sports media to provide some clarity about this strange ownership transition period ? A lot of uncertainty. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 9 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: I’m old and 1959 is also a cherished year. Understood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I'm hoping for relegation and then maybe they can be competitive in the Cape Cod league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 My current observation is that we have 21 players who I judge to be of major league caliber. That includes Robert, Houser, Civale, Tauchman, Benintendi, and others frequently mentioned by forum members as possible trade chips. I don't care if we trade all or some of them. What I want as a first step is 26 major league-caliber type players. A franchise in a major market should not be running a 50-million-dollar payroll. We all know a competitive team can be bought for 200-250 million payroll. I don't even expect that...however, 26 people who would be in the major leagues for other teams seems a doable goal for even JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 15 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I'm hoping for relegation and then maybe they can be competitive in the Cape Cod league. The Brewster Whitecaps would kick White Sox ass!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 25 minutes ago, tray said: Wait, JR by his own description of his role moving forward is nothing more than a place holder or figurehead. Ishbia has control over the team NOW and is free to invest in it NOW according to the deal described by JR. Where is Ishbia ? Has he even showed up anywhere to speak to fans or even to the sports media to provide some clarity about this strange ownership transition period ? A lot of uncertainty. This is objectively false 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, poppysox said: My current observation is that we have 21 players who I judge to be of major league caliber. That includes Robert, Houser, Civale, Tauchman, Benintendi, and others frequently mentioned by forum members as possible trade chips. I don't care if we trade all or some of them. What I want as a first step is 26 major league-caliber type players. A franchise in a major market should not be running a 50-million-dollar payroll. We all know a competitive team can be bought for 200-250 million payroll. I don't even expect that...however, 26 people who would be in the major leagues for other teams seems a doable goal for even JR. We are a Major market ball club being run like the Pittsburgh Pirates, this will not change until JR is no longer the Chairman. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 31 minutes ago, tray said: Wait, JR by his own description of his role moving forward is nothing more than a place holder or figurehead. Ishbia has control over the team NOW and is free to invest in it NOW according to the deal described by JR. Where is Ishbia ? Has he even showed up anywhere to speak to fans or even to the sports media to provide some clarity about this strange ownership transition period ? A lot of uncertainty. He had a press release the day the agreement with JR was announced. The White Sox also made clear JR is still in charge of the day to day operations and that Isbia's role for now would be to help pay down (supposed) debt and potentially get involved in the new stadium negotiations. Just earlier this past week a fan posted here at the site photos of him sitting behind home plate. Said fan posted his impressions of Ishbia and his family and also commented (I assume he spoke to him) that he's a fan, doesn't like to lose and that things would happen quickly. We'll see. Bottom line is that until JR is gone nothing substantially is going to change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 47 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: After May and June I was feeling pretty good as the kids looked pretty good but now it seems like they have all regressed and I’m almost as depressed as last year. Venable as someone said earlier manages the club like it’s Spring Training, I wanted them to bring an experienced manager, not a rookie. I’ve never been a fan of Katz, I don’t think Thames is the answer as hitting coach. Yes things are bleak and the answer to your question is that they will not be competitive until Reinsdorf finally sells to Ishbia. Would like to see what the kids do after the break and maybe they can get past the rookie slump 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 hour ago, soxfan49 said: Smith is struggling to throw strikes, Schultz isn't as good this year, Montgomery took a step back and somehow got promoted, Teel is struggling, Vargas' hot streak is over, Quero is likely never going to move the needle, and Meidroth is JAG (if I'm wrong here, so be it. I admittedly haven't paid much attention this year or last because I'm so burnt out with this franchise) Knowing the organization won't be spending a ton of money in the next few years, what is the path here? They once had Moncada, Cease, Kopech, Robert, Giolito, etc and they stunk Right now things are very bleak. How do they EVER become consistently competitive? Nothing changes until ownership does, then we'll see. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 12 minutes ago, Tony said: This is objectively false LOL. You must be a corporate attorney to make such a statement and/or have different information than was disclosed about the transition period described by Reinsdorf himself. Reinsdorf effectively ceded control of the organization to Ishbia by granting him an exclusive right to purchase a controlling stock interest at either a date certain (when he passes away) or in the near future. Also mentioned in that announcement was that Ishbia would be free to invest in the organization beginning this year. So again...where is Ishbia? Should Sox fans be concerned that he is rethinking his option and will pull out just like he did on his investment in the Twins? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) It begins and ends with JR no longer being an albatross around this organization. Edited July 13 by Soxfest 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: He had a press release the day the agreement with JR was announced. The White Sox also made clear JR is still in charge of the day to day operations and that Isbia's role for now would be to help pay down (supposed) debt and potentially get involved in the new stadium negotiations. Just earlier this past week a fan posted here at the site photos of him sitting behind home plate. Said fan posted his impressions of Ishbia and his family and also commented (I assume he spoke to him) that he's a fan, doesn't like to lose and that things would happen quickly. We'll see. Bottom line is that until JR is gone nothing substantially is going to change. I'm not questioning that he had a press release affirming the agreement when it was announced. So what? What has he done since then? Reportedly attend a game? Big deal. Has he invested one additional dime in the organization since then? I don't see this as a time to lay back and wait for Jerry to pass at some point in the future while the organization devolves but it is beginning to look like that is how this transition will be handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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