2025 WS- Dodgers/Blue Jays

[SoxAce]

Kendrick beats Drake again!

[Chisoxfn]

Best World Series I have ever seen. 

[caulfield12]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2025/11/02/baseball/mlb/world-series-dodgers-repeat/

[caulfield12]

most innings caught in the WS since 1924 is the craziest stat for Will Smith

weren't those 9 games long?

 

"Yet all through this rise in revenue and payroll alike, the Dodgers never slacked in scouting, development, analytics, research, medical science or any facet in running an organization. If it exists, the Dodgers are in pursuit of industry leadership in it. And doing so, they have become what some see as baseball's newest evil empire.

"There's always critics," Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said. "We're in a big market. We're expected to win. Our fans expect us to win. I can't speak to what revenue we're bringing in, but our ownership puts it back into players, a big chunk of it. That's the way it should be with all ownership groups."

.....

The idea is that every organization needs to have a clearly defined set or traits, a style of play that serves as a guiding light for everything from scouting, drafting, development, free agency and the trade market."

https://www.espn.co.uk/mlb/story/_/id/46808821/jays-join-dodgers-wearing-vesia-51-caps-world-series

Edited November 2 by caulfield12

[hi8is]

47 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Well, the off-season starts tomorrow morning. 

Getz is supposed to name the hitting and pitching coaches by the beginning of the week, as per Fegan. 

If the Blue Jays can do it — so can we. 😆

[Bananarchy]

The Dodgers have me cheering for a lockout. 

[caulfield12]

55 minutes ago, hi8is said:

If the Blue Jays can do it — so can we. 😆

Toronto could join the 1991 Minnesota Twins and the 2013 Boston Red Sox to go from last place to champions, according to MLB Network...

[caulfield12]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2025/nov/02/world-series-dodgers-global-reactions-japan-canada

 

https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/world-series-japan-ohtani-yamamoto-b24770

 

https://global.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/46796676/los-angeles-dodgers-miguel-rojas-smith-world-series-social-reaction

Why did Omar Vizquel get a prominent tweet?   Joba Chamberlain?

Edited November 2 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

"The club’s deep-pocketed ways have already sparked debate and discord about the future of the sport. Those conversations will only intensify as the weather cools. Twenty-nine fan bases are understandably angry; something the triumphant Dodgers won’t lose any sleep over.

“We got a bunch more to win,” one Dodger joked postgame. “At least one more until [the league] locks us out.”

If these Dodgers have indeed become a full-fledged dynasty — and it certainly feels like it — this was an empire well-earned. The Blue Jays gave them everything they had and more. Besides, this is what an evil sports juggernaut is supposed to look like: impenetrable, inevitable. Tortured fan bases are just playthings, character foils for the Los Angeles steamroller."

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/world-series-2025-game-7-took-fans-everywhere-in-an-off-the-rails-thrill-ride-of-the-best-baseball-has-to-offer-085908006.html

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/shaikin-why-magic-johnson-believes-110000576.html

"So is the Dodgers’ Shohei Ohtani, the closest baseball has ever had to its own Jordan. The Dodgers rescued him from purgatory in Anaheim and surrounded him with a star-studded roster, and now he makes more money from pitching products than pitching baseballs. To the Dodgers, he doubles as an All-Star and cash machine.

The league — and all the owners complaining about the Dodgers and their spending — happily profited from this traveling road show. The Dodgers get the same share of international merchandise and (national/intl.) broadcast revenue every other team does.

The Dodgers led the major leagues in road attendance, again. The league sent the Dodgers to Seoul last spring and Tokyo this spring, meaning that, for two years running, they were one of the first two teams to report to spring training and one of the last two playing at season’s end. The league’s television partners rushed to book the Dodgers, even for games at times inconvenient to the team."

Edited November 2 by caulfield12

[Snopek]

9 hours ago, Bananarchy said:

The Dodgers have me cheering for a lockout. 

Would you still be cheering for a lockout if the Blue Jays didn’t blow one of the multiple chances they had to win it?

Either way, a team with a top 5 payroll was going to win the World Series.

Either way, a team that offered Ohtani $700 million was going to win the World Series.

The Dodgers barely squeaking by doesn’t really change things IMO.

[chw42]

11 hours ago, SoxAce said:

Kendrick beats Drake again!

They played a credits scene for the Dodgers with Kendrick as the background music. He literally beat Drake again. 

Edited November 2 by chw42

[WestEddy]

34 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Would you still be cheering for a lockout if the Blue Jays didn’t blow one of the multiple chances they had to win it?

Either way, a team with a top 5 payroll was going to win the World Series.

Either way, a team that offered Ohtani $700 million was going to win the World Series.

The Dodgers barely squeaking by doesn’t really change things IMO.

I was rooting for the Jays, just because. The Dodgers are now the evil empire, but it's not as much about spending as it's the top Japanese players wanting to sign with the Dodgers. For all I hear that the Dodgers do everything elite, only two members of their offensive lineup are home grown, and their top 4 starting pitchers are free agents. 

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I was rooting for the Jays, just because. The Dodgers are now the evil empire, but it's not as much about spending as it's the top Japanese players wanting to sign with the Dodgers. For all I hear that the Dodgers do everything elite, only two members of their offensive lineup are home grown, and their top 4 starting pitchers are free agents. 

“Look, we're not going to be in the Ohtani race, I'll tell you that right now.”

Imagine admitting you don’t care about winning a WS before the season even starts.  What a pathetic loser of an owner.

Edited November 2 by WhiteSox2023

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I was rooting for the Jays, just because. The Dodgers are now the evil empire, but it's not as much about spending as it's the top Japanese players wanting to sign with the Dodgers. For all I hear that the Dodgers do everything elite, only two members of their offensive lineup are home grown, and their top 4 starting pitchers are free agents. 

W.Smith and A.Pages were mighty important, though...Rushing was on their postseason roster, but he struggled on offense quite a bit.

Then you have E.Sheehan Wrobleski Sasaki Henriquez Dreyer and H.Kim will take Rojas' place.

And can't we say the very same for the White Sox, with the exception of Colson Montgomery?

 

As recently as 2023 they were ranked 4th in homegrown players with 19/40.

"Julio Urías (rape), Clayton Kershaw (retirement), Dustin May (traded) and Tony Gonsolin (injured) is as impressive a collection of homegrown starting pitching talent as any in baseball, and that list will only grow once Bobby Miller (shifted to pen), Gavin Stone (right shoulder injury), Ryan Pepiot (TB traded), Michael Grove (surgery) and Landon Knack establish themselves at the MLB level.

"The recent departures of Corey Seager, Joc Pederson and Cody Bellinger has left the team with less homegrown position-player talent, but Will Smith is one of baseball's best offensive catchers and Miguel Vargas (haha) is one of the NL Rookie of the Year front-runners."

https://www.si.com/mlb/dodgers/onsi/news/dodgers-ranked-among-mlbs-best-teams-in-producing-homegrown-talent-nc2000#:~:text=The Dodgers' current 40-man roster has 19 homegrown,a part of what he had to say.

Edited November 2 by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

“Look, we're not going to be in the Ohtani race, I'll tell you that right now.”

Imagine admitting you don’t care about winning a WS before the season even starts.  What a pathetic loser of an owner.

Imagine responding to the actual content of a post instead of having to use everything as a vehicle to tell us how you hate a baseball team owner. 

[WestEddy]

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

W.Smith and A.Pages were mighty important, though...Rushing was on their postseason roster, but he struggled on offense quite a bit.

Then you have E.Sheehan Wrobleski Sasaki Henriquez Dreyer and H.Kim will take Rojas' place.

And can't we say the very same for the White Sox, with the exception of Colson Montgomery?

 

As recently as 2023 they were ranked 4th in homegrown players with 19/40.

"Julio Urías (rape), Clayton Kershaw (retirement), Dustin May (traded) and Tony Gonsolin (injured) is as impressive a collection of homegrown starting pitching talent as any in baseball, and that list will only grow once Bobby Miller (shifted to pen), Gavin Stone (right shoulder injury), Ryan Pepiot (TB traded), Michael Grove (surgery) and Landon Knack establish themselves at the MLB level.

"The recent departures of Corey Seager, Joc Pederson and Cody Bellinger has left the team with less homegrown position-player talent, but Will Smith is one of baseball's best offensive catchers and Miguel Vargas (haha) is one of the NL Rookie of the Year front-runners."

https://www.si.com/mlb/dodgers/onsi/news/dodgers-ranked-among-mlbs-best-teams-in-producing-homegrown-talent-nc2000#:~:text=The Dodgers' current 40-man roster has 19 homegrown,a part of what he had to say.

1) I consider the Dodgers more dangerous to baseball, not AS MUCH because of the free agent spending, but because they seem to be a desired destination for Japanese players. Before you start a "why shouldn't they" argument, that's why we have an amateur draft, and international spending limits, so that all the best players can't just sign with the Dodgers and Yankees. 

2) Kim and Sasaki aren't "rookies". You don't generally act impressed with starting pitchers who wind up in the bullpen because they couldn't dominate as starters. Why should that be different with other teams?

3) I would expect a team that is the greatest in drafting, signing and developing players to have more than 2 home grown players in their lineup, and any of their main starting pitchers to be home grown. I understand that they traded from their own farm system to acquire Betts, Edman and others, but that also highlights the folly of ranking systems. Nobody from the Betts return is a significant producer. Vargas in still a work in progress. 

Michael Busch might be the best prospect they traded in the last 10 years. For every Corey Seager, there's more Joc Pedersons, guys who are just slightly above average regulars. That's great, teams need them, but every player coming out of the Dodgers' system isn't at the level of the best position player they produced in the last couple of decades. 

I understand that an important function of a farm system is to create players other teams want, regardless of what they become. 

4) Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin aren't part of any collection of anything right now. May was a nice prospect who never had sustained success, Gonsolin had one nice year, and is yet another example of how the Dodgers chew through pitchers like rats on your asbestos siding. Kershaw was drafted 20 years ago and isn't indicative of what is going on with the Dodgers right now, just as Chris Sale isn't an example of the current White Sox development apparatus. 

[Bananarchy]

4 hours ago, Snopek said:

Would you still be cheering for a lockout if the Blue Jays didn’t blow one of the multiple chances they had to win it?

Either way, a team with a top 5 payroll was going to win the World Series.

Either way, a team that offered Ohtani $700 million was going to win the World Series.

The Dodgers barely squeaking by doesn’t really change things IMO.

Yeah probably. It's not just the excessive expenditure, it's the fact that they're paying Ohtani $1 million per year and delaying actually paying him. I'm not sure I'm a salary cap guy but I also don't need the MLB becoming Champions League. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

1) I consider the Dodgers more dangerous to baseball, not AS MUCH because of the free agent spending, but because they seem to be a desired destination for Japanese players. Before you start a "why shouldn't they" argument, that's why we have an amateur draft, and international spending limits, so that all the best players can't just sign with the Dodgers and Yankees. 

2) Kim and Sasaki aren't "rookies". You don't generally act impressed with starting pitchers who wind up in the bullpen because they couldn't dominate as starters. Why should that be different with other teams?

3) I would expect a team that is the greatest in drafting, signing and developing players to have more than 2 home grown players in their lineup, and any of their main starting pitchers to be home grown. I understand that they traded from their own farm system to acquire Betts, Edman and others, but that also highlights the folly of ranking systems. Nobody from the Betts return is a significant producer. Vargas in still a work in progress. 

Michael Busch might be the best prospect they traded in the last 10 years. For every Corey Seager, there's more Joc Pedersons, guys who are just slightly above average regulars. That's great, teams need them, but every player coming out of the Dodgers' system isn't at the level of the best position player they produced in the last couple of decades. 

I understand that an important function of a farm system is to create players other teams want, regardless of what they become. 

4) Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin aren't part of any collection of anything right now. May was a nice prospect who never had sustained success, Gonsolin had one nice year, and is yet another example of how the Dodgers chew through pitchers like rats on your asbestos siding. Kershaw was drafted 20 years ago and isn't indicative of what is going on with the Dodgers right now, just as Chris Sale isn't an example of the current White Sox development apparatus. 

If Sasaki Sheehan or Wrobleski were on the White Sox...they would all be 1-2-3 starters.

Sasaki was out with injury for 4 1/2 months and contributed immense lying to the bullpen down the stretch.

The Dodgers also have $1.3 billion invested into their starting rotation.  Not like they have a plethora of rotation openings.

We will see how they use Sasaki next year.

Jose Abreu and Alexei Ramirez were defined as rookies. You can't change the way intl. players are defined just because you want to. And why is it LA's fault for creating an environment where the majority of Asian players want to go They have worked diligently since 2013 to make it happen.

Whether you like it or not...they still have one of the next minor league systems in baseball...and as much quality depth as any team.

 

You're still avoiding the discussion of the importance of W.Smith Wrobleski Sheehan Pages, etc.

And why is it LA's fault the Red Sox took a terrible trade for Betts or the Braves (like JR with Machado) not wanting to give that one extra year in his late 30s?

Finally, you're not giving any credit for the getting players like Muncy and Ki-ke off the left for dead scrap heap.

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

If Sasaki Sheehan or Wrobleski were on the White Sox...they would all be 1-2-3 starters.

Sasaki was out with injury for 4 1/2 months and contributed immense lying to the bullpen down the stretch.

The Dodgers also have $1.3 billion invested into their starting rotation.  Not like they have a plethora of rotation openings.

We will see how they use Sasaki next year.

Jose Abreu and Alexei Ramirez were defined as rookies. You can't change the way intl. players are defined just because you want to. And why is it LA's fault for creating an environment where the majority of Asian players want to go They have worked diligently since 2013 to make it happen.

Whether you like it or not...they still have one of the next minor league systems in baseball...and as much quality depth as any team.

 

You're still avoiding the discussion of the importance of W.Smith Wrobleski Sheehan Pages, etc.

And why is it LA's fault the Red Sox took a terrible trade for Betts or the Braves (like JR with Machado) not wanting to give that one extra year in his late 30s?

Finally, you're not giving any credit for the getting players like Muncy and Ki-ke off the left for dead scrap heap.

As I think you intended, I have little idea what you're going on about here. The Dodgers did not develop Sasaki. The White Sox did not develop Abreu or Alexei. 

Actually, yes, the Dodgers do have a plethora of rotation openings. Because they grind all of their starters down, they'll probably have three more TJS's in spring training, and they'll be rushing this year's TJS's back early. 

We're talking about the Dodgers. I'm not sure why you keep needing to compare them to the White Sox. Maybe you can compare them to some high school baseball team and "win" even more. LOL. 

Of course the Dodgers have a very good minor league system. As I've said a few times, I would think they'd have more positional starters than 2 (smith and pages) in the lineup, for as elite as they're supposed to be. They're probably going to make a play for Tucker this off-season. Weird how they don't have someone to step in for much cheaper. 

I'm avoiding Smith and Pages so much, I've alluded to or mentioned them in every post. Sure, Wroblewski or Sheehan or that "etc" guy would be starting for the White Sox. So is Jon Cannon. Good company. 

LA's prospects are generally over-hyped. Like the Yankees. I'm not sure who's blaming them for anything. They sent a nice prospect package to the Red Sox, and none of them did much. That should tell you how important minor league rankings are. I don't see many prospect ranking banners flying in the ball parks I've been to. 

[southsider2k5]

20 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As I think you intended, I have little idea what you're going on about here. The Dodgers did not develop Sasaki. The White Sox did not develop Abreu or Alexei. 

Actually, yes, the Dodgers do have a plethora of rotation openings. Because they grind all of their starters down, they'll probably have three more TJS's in spring training, and they'll be rushing this year's TJS's back early. 

We're talking about the Dodgers. I'm not sure why you keep needing to compare them to the White Sox. Maybe you can compare them to some high school baseball team and "win" even more. LOL. 

Of course the Dodgers have a very good minor league system. As I've said a few times, I would think they'd have more positional starters than 2 (smith and pages) in the lineup, for as elite as they're supposed to be. They're probably going to make a play for Tucker this off-season. Weird how they don't have someone to step in for much cheaper. 

I'm avoiding Smith and Pages so much, I've alluded to or mentioned them in every post. Sure, Wroblewski or Sheehan or that "etc" guy would be starting for the White Sox. So is Jon Cannon. Good company. 

LA's prospects are generally over-hyped. Like the Yankees. I'm not sure who's blaming them for anything. They sent a nice prospect package to the Red Sox, and none of them did much. That should tell you how important minor league rankings are. I don't see many prospect ranking banners flying in the ball parks I've been to. 

Most prospects are overrated and overhyped in the long run.

[WhiteSox2023]

4 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Imagine responding to the actual content of a post instead of having to use everything as a vehicle to tell us how you hate a baseball team owner. 

You were commenting on how the Dodgers own the Japanese market.  It’s not hard when some owners bow out before the guy is even officially a free agent.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

As I think you intended, I have little idea what you're going on about here. The Dodgers did not develop Sasaki. The White Sox did not develop Abreu or Alexei. 

Actually, yes, the Dodgers do have a plethora of rotation openings. Because they grind all of their starters down, they'll probably have three more TJS's in spring training, and they'll be rushing this year's TJS's back early. 

We're talking about the Dodgers. I'm not sure why you keep needing to compare them to the White Sox. Maybe you can compare them to some high school baseball team and "win" even more. LOL. 

Of course the Dodgers have a very good minor league system. As I've said a few times, I would think they'd have more positional starters than 2 (smith and pages) in the lineup, for as elite as they're supposed to be. They're probably going to make a play for Tucker this off-season. Weird how they don't have someone to step in for much cheaper. 

I'm avoiding Smith and Pages so much, I've alluded to or mentioned them in every post. Sure, Wroblewski or Sheehan or that "etc" guy would be starting for the White Sox. So is Jon Cannon. Good company. 

LA's prospects are generally over-hyped. Like the Yankees. I'm not sure who's blaming them for anything. They sent a nice prospect package to the Red Sox, and none of them did much. That should tell you how important minor league rankings are. I don't see many prospect ranking banners flying in the ball parks I've been to. 

They have plenty of outfielders in the minors that are highly regarded, including Hope (Cubs originally) and de Paula.

They have a plethora of prospects drafted at SS that can be moved all around the field.

You're making the argument that Betts, Freeman, Teoscar, Muncy (soon to be replaced by Murakami) and Ohtani should be blamed for wanting to play there.

How many teams can produce prospects to displace three former/current MVPs including the greatest player in the history lol???

 

The White Sox minor league rankings have been used as one of the primary supports or foundations of the rebuild over the last 2-3 years.  Now they're mostly irrelevant?  Or Colson being knocked out of the Top 100 and then emerging as one of the most important players in the franchise nullifies the value of ranking players?

If the Dodgers prospects always failed, nobody would trade for them.

Like K.Ruiz and J.Gray for Scherzer and Turner didn't work out so well for either team (if your only measuring stick is winning the WS.)

One or two prospect trades not working out isn't the end of the world, lol.  

Chaim Bloom was ordered to dump Betts because they didn't want to extend him.  The return was far from ideal because the GM was ordered to move him.

Edited November 3 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Most prospects are overrated and overhyped in the long run.

See White Sox 1998-2000 and 2017-2019...two groups that both were ranked #1 in the entire sport.

[WestEddy]

moved

Edited November 3 by WestEddy

[WestEddy]

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

They have plenty of outfielders in the minors that are highly regarded, including Hope (Cubs) and de Paula.

They have a plethora of kids drafted at SS that can be moved all around the field.

You're making the argument that Betts, Freeman, Teoscar, Muncy (soon to be replaced by Murakami) and Ohtani should be blamed for wanting to play there.

How many teams can produce prospects to displace three former/current MVPs including the greatest player in the history lol???

 

The White Sox minor league rankings have been used as one of the primary supports or foundations of the rebuild over the last 2-3 years.

If the Dodgers prospects always failed, nobody would trade for them.

Like K.Ruiz and J.Gray for Scherzer and Turner didn't work out so well for either team if your only measuring stick is winning the WS.

You seem to be picking other things to argue that nobody mentioned so that you don't have to address the unassailable points I made. That's okay. 

The White Sox minor league rankings have been used as one of the primary supports or foundations of the rebuild over the last 2-3 years.

Since you keep circling around to bringing up the White Sox, I've noticed you seem truly anxious that the White Sox don't have a can't miss All-Star at every position in the high minors right now to ensure they'll start a dynasty, soon. And that they don't have a good 6-10 can't miss ace starters lined up to account for some injuries. It just seems weird that a truly elite system in the game doesn't have an heir apparent for the outfield ready to take over this next season. One would think they'd have 3 top 20 in the game prospects at AAA fight it out in spring training. 

You said, "You're making the argument that Betts, Freeman, Teoscar, Muncy (soon to be replaced by Murakami) and Ohtani should be blamed for wanting to play there."

No, I'm not. I've never said that. You just said that. I'm not you posting on your account. 

How many teams can produce prospects to displace three former/current MVPs including the greatest player in the history lol???

Nobody's asking for them to kick people off the team and sub in minor leaguers. If they had home-grown, perennial All-Stars at a position, they wouldn't have to go out and sign a free agent. It's one thing to develop guys that listicle writers fall in love with and overhype. It's quite another to develop a team that grows and graduates together. 

 

 

Edited November 3 by WestEddy