caulfield12 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The only dude of substance will probably be Buxton, unless he too gives up and allows a trade. They still have to trade Joe Ryan (easy to deal) and Pablo Lopez (not so much)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 "Sizemore is the latest addition to what’ll be a largely revamped Minnesota coaching staff. Borrego and pitching coach Pete Maki have been retained, but much of the rest of the staff will look different under Shelton than it did under former skipper Rocco Baldelli. Former Twin LaTroy Hawkins has already been tabbed as the team’s new bullpen coach, and the Twins have moved on from third base coach Tommy Watkins, bench coach Jayce Tingler, catching coach/assistant bench coach Hank Conger and bullpen coach Colby Suggs. They’re reportedly eyeing Yankees hitting coach James Rowson as a potential bench coach under Shelton. Rowson was also the Twins’ hitting coach from 2017-19." mlbtraderumors.com Just keep seeing the move described as "an expanded role," so his title last year as offensive coordinator was probably more symbolic than anything. Kind of like a nonus/reward for managing the worst team in history through 45 torturous games to funish out the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 After a few years in the Sox organization, anywhere probably looks better. Except the Twins just nuked their roster and will be very bad. I hope his was a promotional and not getting the f*** out of Dodge first chance he gets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: After a few years in the Sox organization, anywhere probably looks better. Except the Twins just nuked their roster and will be very bad. I hope his was a promotional and not getting the f*** out of Dodge first chance he gets. Explain what an "offensive coordinator" does for the Sox, as opposed to Ryan Fuller's current position. They're describing it as "poached" him from the Sox..."It isn't official, but we have heard that he will be the team's first base coach and also the outfield and base running coach." https://twinsdaily.com/minnesota-twins-free-agents-trade-rumors/rumors/twins-add-grady-sizemore-to-coaching-staff-r230/ Mostly positive reactions here to the Sizemore move...especially with Baldelli a pretty similar mirror being replaced experience-wise by Grady. https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/how-twins-ownership-may-have-broken-byron-buxtons-moral-code-r19403/ “Buxton, who turns 32 next month, wants to play for a winner,” Hayes wrote, suggesting that even the two-time All-Star’s patience has limits. With three years and $45 million remaining on his contract, and full no-trade protection, the idea that he would even consider leaving speaks volumes about where the organization stands." Edited November 13 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 (edited) On 11/4/2025 at 1:49 PM, Autumn Dreamin said: https://www.mlb.com/news/royals-pitchers-connect-with-zach-bove its nice to see possible reasons why they would hire someone who could be classfied as an "up and comer" rather than silly emotional tripe about infatuation with the Royals or cheapness. They're doing what they have to do to ID coaches who fit modern , hardworking, problem solving, individualized approaches . This is not one size fits all coaching. It's specialization. Yes we all know its easiest to become hateful and fatalistic whenever they make moves but this place is just a parody of meatballism now. Openmindedness has all but vanished. Edited November 15 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: its nice to see possible reasons why they would hire someone who could be classfied as an "up and comer" rather than silly emotional tripe about infatuation with the Royals or cheapness. They're doing what they have to do to ID coaches who fit modern , hardworking, problem solving, individualized approaches . This is not one size fits all coaching. It's specialization. Yes we all know its easiest to become hateful and fatalistic whenever they make moves but this place is just a parody of meatballism now. Openmindedness has all but vanished. Well, it is the offseason, and it's basically trickled down to about a dozen posters doing drive-bys, now, until there's any kind of movement that would give a hint to the direction this team is going to take for the next season. I am kind of curious how the MLB pitching and hitting coaches now fit into a team's greater pitching and hitting philosophy. Do Bove and Shoman just take direction from Manny & Fuller, or is it all more collaborative? Hey, they could have signed Tino Martinez, who would just choke hitters who were in slumps. Edited November 15 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 (edited) 5 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: its nice to see possible reasons why they would hire someone who could be classfied as an "up and comer" rather than silly emotional tripe about infatuation with the Royals or cheapness. They're doing what they have to do to ID coaches who fit modern , hardworking, problem solving, individualized approaches . This is not one size fits all coaching. It's specialization. Yes we all know its easiest to become hateful and fatalistic whenever they make moves but this place is just a parody of meatballism now. Openmindedness has all but vanished. Unfortunately, their hiring track record doesn’t bring confidence. I’m sorry if you think not buying what they are selling, having a show me don’t tell me attitude, not giving the White Sox any of the benefit of the doubt is meatballism to you, but buying everything that they are selling to me is akin to being in a cult. They lost 102 games 2 years after they were supposedly embarrassed they lost 101, and broke a record for losses in 2024. They made the GM hire because the owner said they couldn’t waste a year. So far pilfering the Royals coaching staff has lead to 324 losses in 3 years. Edited November 15 by Dick Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: Unfortunately, their hiring track record doesn’t bring confidence. I’m sorry if you think not buying what they are selling, having a show me don’t tell me attitude, not giving the White Sox any of the benefit of the doubt is meatballism to you, but buying everything that they are selling to me is akin to being in a cult. They lost 102 games 2 years after they were supposedly embarrassed they lost 101, and broke a record for losses in 2024. They made the GM hire because the owner said they couldn’t waste a year. So far pilfering the Royals coaching staff has lead to 324 losses in 3 years. Don’t mind the nonsensical homers. The Sox are cheap and that has been proven over the history of Jerry’s ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 40 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Don’t mind the nonsensical homers. The Sox are cheap and that has been proven over the history of Jerry’s ownership. His whole argument is if you think the Sox are hiring the wrong people you’re just being a meatball fan. So far those meatballs are batting 1.000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 18 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: His whole argument is if you think the Sox are hiring the wrong people you’re just being a meatball fan. So far those meatballs are batting 1.000. Haha, so true. I think I know who the true meatball is and he lives in California, far away from the embarrassment of being a White Sox fan in Chicago. Go figure… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: His whole argument is if you think the Sox are hiring the wrong people you’re just being a meatball fan. So far those meatballs are batting 1.000. No, it's about the people who have beaten the senseless "ex-Royals hire" meme to death. By all means, tell us why you think the Sox have hired the wrong people. If your only argument is that they once worked for the Royals, close your eyes when the sauce gets poured on your meatball head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 55 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Haha, so true. I think I know who the true meatball is and he lives in California, far away from the embarrassment of being a White Sox fan in Chicago. Go figure… Cali literally calls out the people who whined about ex-Royal hires, but hey, don't let that stop you from playing the victim. I'm not sure why you'd be embarrassed to live in Chicago. It's a great city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: No, it's about the people who have beaten the senseless "ex-Royals hire" meme to death. By all means, tell us why you think the Sox have hired the wrong people. If your only argument is that they once worked for the Royals, close your eyes when the sauce gets poured on your meatball head. It’s not senseless. The Sox haven’t really had a lot of success poaching from them and it’s not like the royals have been the standard of the league. There is gray area here and people aren’t meatballs because they don’t want the Sox to keep hiring from that organization 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 7 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s not senseless. The Sox haven’t really had a lot of success poaching from them and it’s not like the royals have been the standard of the league. There is gray area here and people aren’t meatballs because they don’t want the Sox to keep hiring from that organization Fair enough. I think we've gotten out past the period where every Hahn hire was a Royal FO castoff (of which Getz was one). Getz at least seems to be mixing it up to the point where an ex-Royals hire looks like some thought was put into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 18 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Cali literally calls out the people who whined about ex-Royal hires, but hey, don't let that stop you from playing the victim. I'm not sure why you'd be embarrassed to live in Chicago. It's a great city. I am embarrassed of being a fan of the awful White Sox, not living in Chicago. Try to keep up, WE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I am embarrassed of being a fan of the awful White Sox, not living in Chicago. Try to keep up, WE. Oh, I'm up. If you remain in a relationship that brings you so much shame, you should give your safe word a workout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Oh, I'm up. If you remain in a relationship that brings you so much shame, you should give your safe word a workout. We are all Sox fans. Unfortunately they suck balls. Any other words of wisdom? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: We are all Sox fans. Unfortunately they suck balls. Any other words of wisdom? Yeah, get a stress test. Heart disease starts way sooner than you think it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Yeah, get a stress test. Heart disease starts way sooner than you think it does. How old are you again? You should probably worry about yourself first, not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: How old are you again? You should probably worry about yourself first, not me. 62. I'm fine. My older brother died in his sleep at 43 of a heart attack. Be well. I'm not being snarky. You asked me for words of wisdom, and that's the best I got. I have good insurance, and my part time job is going to the doctor. Take care of that s%*#. It's all you got. Edited November 16 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 More good advice here than currently available through HHS. If you want a further scare, look at everything Chet Lemon went through after his first series of strokes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 4 hours ago, Dick Allen said: His whole argument is if you think the Sox are hiring the wrong people you’re just being a meatball fan. So far those meatballs are batting 1.000. The same guy calling Soxtalk names because people have an opinion different than his, is also name calling people for not being open minded. Parody, indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) 12 hours ago, WestEddy said: No, it's about the people who have beaten the senseless "ex-Royals hire" meme to death. By all means, tell us why you think the Sox have hired the wrong people. If your only argument is that they once worked for the Royals, close your eyes when the sauce gets poured on your meatball head. The record shows the White Sox have hired the wrong people. If they can lose 100 again in 2026 , which would be a 2 game improvement, they will be the first team in 90 years to lose at least 100 4 years in a row. All those bad organizations over the years haven’t been able to do it, but the Sox might. The fact that it doesn’t bother you makes you the meatball fan with extra sauce. You can go back through my posts, and you’ll see, I don’t really care what teams coaches come from. The Dodgers probably have some bad coaches in their organization, the Rockies probably have a couple of good ones. The fact that they keep going after KC guys is weird. They haven’t been very good for a long time. Even the last 2 years where it supposedly is turned around, is thanks to the White Sox. They are below .500 vs. everyone else. Edited November 16 by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: The record shows the White Sox have hired the wrong people. If they can lose 100 again in 2026 , which would be a 2 game improvement, they will be the first team in 90 years to lose at least 100 4 years in a row. All those bad organizations over the years haven’t been able to do it, but the Sox might. The fact that it doesn’t bother you makes you the meatball fan with extra sauce. You can go back through my posts, and you’ll see, I don’t really care what teams coaches come from. The Dodgers probably have some bad coaches in their organization, the Rockies probably have a couple of good ones. The fact that they keep going after KC guys is weird. They haven’t been very good for a long time. Even the last 2 years where it supposedly is turned around, is thanks to the White Sox. They are below .500 vs. everyone else. So then there's probably no point in getting angry at posts that aren't even aimed at you. It was weird when Hahn fell into a Royals' rut, signing a bunch of ex-Royals' players, then targeting ex-Royals' front office types, of which Getz was one. Once Getz was promoted, I didn't think him bringing over a couple of Royals' guys was weird, as they were probably dudes he trusted at the onset of his front office career. Since he's gotten settled, he's picked guys away from the Giants, Rangers, Orioles, Marlins, Angels, Brewers and D-backs. That's without even looking it up. Who are even Royals guys at this point? Gene Watson and Jin Wong? One would have as strong an argument saying Getz' hires suck because too many guys have last names that begin with W. This isn't even being addressed to you, as you've said you've not made this complaint. If you think the Bove and Shomon hires suck, rip away at them. We're all reading Caulfield's tangential Yahoo articles, and my odd internet findings for any baseball talk. But complaining about hiring the first guy away from the Royals in two years, after a lengthy interview marathon - just because he was on the Royals is silly. I mean, if they hired the guy who gave Tyler Skaggs the drugs that killed him, and put him in charge of White Sox pharmaceuticals, then yeah, that would be an incredibly dumb hire. If the White Sox hired Brad Aldrich as video coach after all his BS, yeah, fire away. Tino Martinez would have been a really bad hitting coach hire. I think that, for the goal Getz has stated and repeated, they have the right people in place. The fixes that C. Monty and Vargas grew into are one bit of evidence. Bonemer shooting into the top 100 is another. Leasure, the Smiths, Davis Martin, Vasil, more good development. I get your record-based opinion. I disagree. I'll leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Just a personal opinion but I always felt the reason or a reason why some organizations are good at what they do is because they hire good people. Sounds simple enough but some organizations still don't understand the concept. Granted their could be smart, sharp people working for poor organizations but to me what I'd do if I were the Sox would be to target key people in organizations that are consistently successful and basically "make them an offer they can't refuse..." Pay them whatever it takes to get them to join. That means targeting people from the Dodgers, Phillies, Brewers, Yankees et al. The Royals to me are not the model to follow. If you insist of targeting people from small franchises the Guardians and Brewers are much better choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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