2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Luckily the scouts and others found the red flags in Murakami too much to overcome too.

No rush on Gonzalez to jump to conclusions.

Murakami and Gonzalez have absolutely nothing in common.

He's a career 2B and marginal major league SS...not a first baseman or DH.

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/51138/

Here's someone whose ops jumped 147 points at Charlotte compared to his prior mlb average and he didn't even merit consideration for a recall.

Fwiw, there was never any question about Murakami's power playing over here if he could make enough contact.

Jacob Gonzalez is probably a 15-18 homer guy like a Brooks Baldwin (minus the steals), but he's never going to hit 30-35 homers in a season in the major leagues like his Charlotte pace would indicate.

Edited yesterday at 02:52 PM1 day by caulfield12

11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

No way he's that power bitter outside of Charlotte.

When's the last time a career 625-650 ops milb middle infielder ended up at 825-875 in the majors over the long term without PEDs?

Jesus dude. Do you know what "might" means?

9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Jesus dude. Do you know what "might" means?

Yes might = future potential prospect suspect may might

Brooks Baldwin might hit more homers for the Sox next season than Jacob Gonzalez.

That's equally valid.

He actually provides more positional versatility and speed.

When's the last time a career 625-650 ops milb middle infielder ended up at 775-825+ in the majors over the long term without PEDs?

Question still stands...

Edited yesterday at 02:59 PM1 day by caulfield12

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Yes might = future potential prospect suspect may might

Brooks Baldwin might hit more homers for the Sox next season than Jacob Gonzalez.

That's equally valid.

He actually provides more positional versatility and speed.

When's the last time a career 625-650 ops milb middle infielder ended up at 775-825+ in the majors over the long term without PEDs?

Question still stands...

Idk I was just throwing out a hypothetical. It's not that deep.

50 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

No way he's that power bitter outside of Charlotte.

When's the last time a career 625-650 ops milb middle infielder ended up at 825-875 in the majors over the long term without PEDs?

I'd like to see an actual heater before I declare him a perennial All-Star, but there is a reason for his rebirth on offense. You're ignoring the numbers that underlie his Charlotte success. Long-term answer at 1B seems to be a bit of a stretch, but 5th/rotating infielder/DH looks plausible if he can OPS .780 and hit you 15+ HR/162.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'd like to see an actual heater before I declare him a perennial All-Star, but there is a reason for his rebirth on offense. You're ignoring the numbers that underlie his Charlotte success. Long-term answer at 1B seems to be a bit of a stretch, but 5th/rotating infielder/DH looks plausible if he can OPS .780 and hit you 15+ HR/162.

Yeah I'm not writing his name in in permanent marker. Just saying that if he continues hitting the rest of this year (he's cooled) and next, if we need a long term answer, that he can be an option. As of right now, he's the obvious guy to go down to Charlotte when Mune comes back.

11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah I'm not writing his name in in permanent marker. Just saying that if he continues hitting the rest of this year (he's cooled) and next, if we need a long term answer, that he can be an option. As of right now, he's the obvious guy to go down to Charlotte when Mune comes back.

I'd imagine they're working with him to adapt his stance and swing changes to the big-league game, not unlike Acuña. He's got to put the ball in the air, more. We'd get pounced on for mentioning Mark Grace or Hosmer as dudes who didn't need to be big HR hitters at 1B. I think Tony DiPino would have something to say about Gonzo as the fallback in the case of Murakami bolting for LA, but Gonzo's definitely in the convo.

Gonzo can go back down to Charlotte and stop his arb clock once Mune is back. That's fine. He just got a nice pay pump for 6 weeks or whatever and now he knows he close he is and what he has to continue to work on.

Worrying about solid players getting traded or having to be optioned is a GOOD PROBLEM.

If Gonzo was on the Dodgers or Royals, Caulfield would want to trade Schultz for him.

Jose Ramirez had a career MiLB OPS of 766 including a 674 OPS at AA.

Glad I could help answer your question Caufield.

30 minutes ago, Quin said:

If Gonzo was on the Dodgers or Royals, Caulfield would want to trade Schultz for him.

Don’t forgot the Padres!!

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Murakami and Gonzalez have absolutely nothing in common.

He's a career 2B and marginal major league SS...not a first baseman or DH.

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/51138/

Here's someone whose ops jumped 147 points at Charlotte compared to his prior mlb average and he didn't even merit consideration for a recall.

Fwiw, there was never any question about Murakami's power playing over here if he could make enough contact.

Jacob Gonzalez is probably a 15-18 homer guy like a Brooks Baldwin (minus the steals), but he's never going to hit 30-35 homers in a season in the major leagues like his Charlotte pace would indicate.

Sure they do. I put you in the place of the professionals who deemed Murakami unworthy. You deemed Gonzalez unworthy. Things change or can change. Evolving is what player growth is all about. You fail to think he can evolve, you look at his past and say it can't be done. Yet here he is in the big leagues with more room to grow.

Peralta and Mize both makes too much sense. Wont cost crazy capital and you can try and extend one of them for another 3 years to be a solid piece moving forward.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7356208/2026/06/14/jacob-gonzalez-white-sox-swing-changes/?source=athletic_thewindup_newsletter&campaign=18534014&userId=159096

Good write-up on Jacob Gonzalez by Keith Law on The Athletic

12 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

Peralta and Mize both makes too much sense. Wont cost crazy capital and you can try and extend one of them for another 3 years to be a solid piece moving forward.

I wouldn't give up prospects then resign him. Might as well just wait until he's a free agent. He might need a huge contract as big as Max Fried got. A pitcher getting 8 years $218M under Jerry ? Not likely. Especially if they make an attempt to keep Murakami. Ishbia isn't the owner yet.

If the can Tigers put together a 5+ game win streak with Skubal back and Mize coming back Wednesday they probably hold onto both until the last minute to decide if they have a realistic shot at the playoffs. Even now being 6 back in the wild card isn't bad but they've been pitiful on the road (11-26).

Mize will be a popular target if/when he's made available . Getz will probably be in stealth mode for a while. Not sure what your idea of crazy capital is . There will be multiple teams interested in both and in desperation mode too or just willing to pay a higher price. Dodgers always lingering.

Gonzalez’ defense at first is also very good.   I would still dump Benintendi and let Gonzalez and Mune play first/DH; but that won’t happen.  And Baldwin will probably send Grichuk away, so I suppose they need to keep one veteran around.  And give the guy a chance on his offense.

But if the Sox are intent on trading Gonzalez, that Law hype article can only help his value.
I’d still call  the Angels on Urena…they make a lot of ?able trades, so let’s partake of that.

11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Gonzalez’ defense at first is also very good.   I would still dump Benintendi and let Gonzalez and Mune play first/DH; but that won’t happen.  And Baldwin will probably send Grichuk away, so I suppose they need to keep one veteran around.  And give the guy a chance on his offense.

But if the Sox are intent on trading Gonzalez, that Law hype article can only help his value.
I’d still call  the Angels on Urena…they make a lot of ?able trades, so let’s partake of that.

I just don't want Gonzo to turn into Semien 2.0 where we give up a guy too early thinking his development is over and we have others anyways.

18 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Gonzalez’ defense at first is also very good.   I would still dump Benintendi and let Gonzalez and Mune play first/DH; but that won’t happen.  And Baldwin will probably send Grichuk away, so I suppose they need to keep one veteran around.  And give the guy a chance on his offense.

But if the Sox are intent on trading Gonzalez, that Law hype article can only help his value.
I’d still call  the Angels on Urena…they make a lot of ?able trades, so let’s partake of that.

Baldwin is out for the year so Grichuk is here to stay.

17 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I just don't want Gonzo to turn into Semien 2.0 where we give up a guy too early thinking his development is over and we have others anyways.

I agree and don't want that to happen to anyone. Young-for-old trades are generally bad business. But if the Sox aren't going to use him I would trade him for quality young pitching.

3 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

Gross on many levels. Overpaying for a rental would be the dumbest thing we can do. That's the sort of thing Hahn would do or KW and would end up gutting the upper minors just at a time when we needed reinforcements from the Farm.

We'd get a comp pick when he leaves, but that's hardly enough carrot.

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Gross on many levels. Overpaying for a rental would be the dumbest thing we can do. That's the sort of thing Hahn would do or KW and would end up gutting the upper minors just at a time when we needed reinforcements from the Farm.

We'd get a comp pick when he leaves, but that's hardly enough carrot.

They wouldn't get the comp pick. You have to be on the same team in the majors for the full season prior to free agency.

14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

They wouldn't get the comp pick. You have to be on the same team in the majors for the full season prior to free agency.

Ty Bob, I never try and stop learning about the CBA -- John Schriffen.

I just saw a headline on MLB Trade Rumors that the Giants are going to sell -- but Logan Webb is not one of the players on the block. That's the trouble with getting pitching at the deadline: All anyone wants to move are impending FA's and guys who pitched bad enough to get them in last place to begin with. The number of arms who would actually start in a playoff series AND don't cost half your farm system for a 2 month rental are few and far between. The last thing we need is to give up assets to acquire someone else's Eric Fedde.

41 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I just saw a headline on MLB Trade Rumors that the Giants are going to sell -- but Logan Webb is not one of the players on the block. That's the trouble with getting pitching at the deadline: All anyone wants to move are impending FA's and guys who pitched bad enough to get them in last place to begin with. The number of arms who would actually start in a playoff series AND don't cost half your farm system for a 2 month rental are few and far between. The last thing we need is to give up assets to acquire someone else's Eric Fedde.

I think they will ultimately end up trading Webb but they might as well not reveal their plans yet. There’s still like 6 weeks until the deadline. Getz should be calling them consistently about Webb.