8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Jim Bowden said the Sox were the best fit for Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman.

Mark Feinsand had this to say on the matter: “Gray’s market will be limited by his salary,” an anonymous executive told Feinsand. “Contreras is an acquired taste, Duran is having a down season, and Chapman will be a rental reliever. The potential returns for that group will be tempered.”

I remain convinced that Gray is the guy to pursue. Eat the rest of his salary and buyout on his mutual option to limit the prospect cost. We should 100% have the money to do this. He may not be perfect, but he’d be a MASSIVE upgrade.

Yeah, if you take on the salary and don't have to give up much in prospects, this would be the right move.

8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Jim Bowden said the Sox were the best fit for Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman.

Mark Feinsand had this to say on the matter: “Gray’s market will be limited by his salary,” an anonymous executive told Feinsand. “Contreras is an acquired taste, Duran is having a down season, and Chapman will be a rental reliever. The potential returns for that group will be tempered.”

I remain convinced that Gray is the guy to pursue. Eat the rest of his salary and buyout on his mutual option to limit the prospect cost. We should 100% have the money to do this. He may not be perfect, but he’d be a MASSIVE upgrade.

Trading for Gray would remind me of the Lance Lynn trade. A proven veteran who eats innings and protects the younger pitchers.

If they do this, I would like them to sign him to a short term extension like they did with Lynn. Maybe 2 years or something.

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Because of the way the game is I strongly prefer batting of pitching. 1. Pitchers are guaranteed to be out 1 season for tommy john. 2. Pitchers rarely are allowed to go over 100 pitches. 3. Pitchers rarely get over just 180 innings now.. 4. Pitchers pitch even less in the playoffs - often not even making it past the first if they get a few runners on. Give me a guy that plays 150 games. (assuming similar rankings)

That’s totally fair. I’m not suggesting we make the trade, just highlighting an interesting theoretical. I will say though if we end up needing a TOR starter and can’t add in free agency (hopefully won’t be the case), the cost for a proven controllable will be immense and more than just Bonemer. All the same risks & concenrs you just mentioned would apply, but with less control of a player like Sloan and for much more financial cost. Again, not saying make the trade, but pointing what the potential alternative might be.

33 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Trading for Gray would remind me of the Lance Lynn trade. A proven veteran who eats innings and protects the younger pitchers.

If they do this, I would like them to sign him to a short term extension like they did with Lynn. Maybe 2 years or something.

If they can take on his salary and sign him to a 2 year extension while only having to part with a couple low end prospects, I would be all for it. Adding Chapman along with Gray would make this deal even better.

Trade for Freddy Peralta & Devin Williams.

The Mets eat Williams 2026 contract and the Sox pickup his deferred money for 2027 & 2028, extend Peralta's contract.

Getting them out of NY might be what the doctor ordered.

1 hour ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Was just going to post this, they listed the Sox as a candidate for every starting pitching in the top 25.

no to all of the above for this year

team is not ready.

14 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

Trade for Freddy Peralta & Devin Williams.

The Mets eat Williams 2026 contract and the Sox pickup his deferred money for 2027 & 2028, extend Peralta's contract.

Getting them out of NY might be what the doctor ordered.

I think they are done with that.

Detmers has two more years before FA. I wasn't aware of that. Only 26, so he fits the early part of the window for sure even if you don't think they should go in heavy this season.

Assuming the Sox are still an AL contender near the deadline, my wish list would be either a Sonny Gray acquisition or a Reid Detmers acquisition.

Sonny Gray should cost very low prospect capital and is essentially a rental, which makes him very enticing. The sox should avoid any pure rentals that significantly weaken their farm system. Even though 2026 should be taken seriously and the team should be supplemented with some win-now players, the future is still the most important focus for the franchise. Gray offers an opportunity to add an above average, veteran pitcher that will not hinder the sox farm system in a significant way.

Reid Detmers would cost much more prospect capital than Gray but gives the Sox an 27 year old, ascending starting pitcher with 2.5 years of control. He offers the Sox value on a competitive 2026 team and beyond, which makes the loss of key prospects much more easy to accept.

Adding just 1 quality starting pitcher changes the dynamic of the entire pitching staff.

Martin, Gray/Detmers, Burke, Schultz, Kay, Fedde, Shane Smith, Hagen Smith, Tanner McDougal, David Sandlin is enough starting pitching for what the Sox need in 2026. Even if it is not a dominant pitching staff, it's enough to give the Sox a shot in October with a top offense, while not jeopardizing the future.

And, of course, they need to add a high leverage reliever or two.

There are some decent pitching options who could be available but I'm still wondering how the labor situation and the probable loss of games/income next year may impact what JR allows Getz to do.

4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

There are some decent pitching options who could be available but I'm still wondering how the labor situation and the probable loss of games/income next year may impact what JR allows Getz to do.

It should make pure 2026-only rentals and those with control beyond 2027 the targets. Targeting a pitcher with 1.5 years of control through 2027 would be a mistake unless an extension is able to be reached.

6 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

There are some decent pitching options who could be available but I'm still wondering how the labor situation and the probable loss of games/income next year may impact what JR allows Getz to do.

There are a bunch of unknowns.

• The people inside the sport should know better than anyone the chances of a season next year, but even the people most in the know are still just making an educated guess. It's truly an unknown. But even with there being potential for a work stoppage, that fact has to enter into the equation when you are trying to put a certain value percentage on a guy being under control for 2027. How could it not?

• The other big unknown (in my eyes) is the track record (or lack thereof), of Getz. That's no fault of Getz, he doesn't have a long enough tenure to tell us what sort of aggression level or philosophy he has with a team on the rise. We've all followed the sport long enough to see different FO's have different philosophies when it comes to going "all-in" vs. taking a more conservative approach to asset management. Kenny was a guy that loved adding at the deadline, and viewed prospects more as ammunition for trades than future contributors to the White Sox. Being a GM during a rebuild vs. being a GM for a team in the hunt have some stark differences. Great GM's can navigate both, but some are good at one thing, and not so much at the other. And we're going to find out who Getz is in the coming years.

13 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

1 hour ago, Rusty_Kuntz said:

Detmers has two more years before FA. I wasn't aware of that. Only 26, so he fits the early part of the window for sure even if you don't think they should go in heavy this season.

I hate trading significant assets for a guy that's ceiling is a back-end rotation piece.

Depleting our farm sounds like a gut punch to me. This team has been so fun but I don’t think any moves they would make this season would give them the opportunity to make a World Series run, which let’s be honest is the entire point of adding at the deadline. To me, as good and refreshing as this season has been so far, this ain’t the year to try and do that. Next year perhaps. But I really don’t want the Sox to go backwards in terms of sacrificing our future for now. And Getz has been pretty adamant about making this team a winning one for the long term. We need to get in a position where we have a great farm with plenty of depth AND a great MLB team that has a real shot at winning it all. Then you can trade from your farm at the deadline to fill in holes at the major league level without worrying about completely depleting your minor league depth and going back into a rebuild. That’s what competent organizations do.

I still have no interest in trading prospects for a vet that doesn’t get us close to a WS this year. I think people are getting a bit carried away with the success so far this year.

I’d much rather go after a young SP. for instance Andrew Painter. Phillies are likely about to send him back to AAA and their entire IF (minus 1B) is awful. A Gonzo for Painter trade is something I’d rather go after. Keep building into this young core

49 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I hate trading significant assets for a guy that's ceiling is a back-end rotation piece.

He’s been pitching like a #1 lately. His ceiling is definitely higher than a back end rotation guy.